Dog Kills Pensioner Owners Get 12 Months !!!

[STRANGER 948]

And KD it was a staff cross Russell not a pure Russell

[RemyBolt 420]

Completely agree Stranger.

 

American Pits were originally bred for dog on dog fighting. However, if trained well and well cared for, they are perfect examples of model dogs and loyalty. They are POWERFUL beyond reason, and in no way shape or form should they be openly available to anyone who has the money to buy one.

 

Even though I completely disagree that Pitbulls are all dangerous fighting monsters (a pitbull actually helped me get over my fear of dogs...the dad was apparently a prize fighter, ironically). ANY DOG is POTENTIALLY dangerous. They are, by nature, pack HUNTERS, and thus will kill to survive.

[neems 2,406]

I'm now not sure if that was all a wind up,but I honestly hope you're just a very committed winder up and not another fur mother,the world needs a lot less of them lol.

 

maybe you're baw and just playing the long game.

[bird 9,966]

People always hit out with 'oh any dog can bite someone' 'its not bull breeds its the owners'.

 

And I would agree with that.

 

The difference is when a jack Russell (for example)bites a child, it doesn't break it up into small bits leaving bits of children all over your living room lol

 

These large strong dogs can cause a massive amount of damage in a small time and IMO the sale of these dogs should be controlled to those who need them and those who know how to handle them.

 

The breeders are as much to blame as anyone when these accidents happen.

spot on, same as I said on the post before , any bite from a dog is very painful but very strong dogs in body + jaw are lethal to a child or old person any person really. just watch a norm size dog crunch a beef bone , I gave my 2 dogs beef bones last night and you can see the bite they got when on them bones, Buck nearly crunched his bugger in 1/2 lol never underestimate any dog but deff certain breeds

[RemyBolt 420]

I'm now not sure if that was all a wind up,but I honestly hope you're just a very committed winder up and not another fur mother,the world needs a lot less of them lol.

 

maybe you're baw and just playing the long game.

No wind up at all mate. I'm not sure what a 'fur mother' is, but I'm not a dog fan at all. However, I have had limited overall dog experience. The majority of my experience with dogs, prior to the wife getting 2 whippets and 1 Itlian Greyhound x whippet, my only other real experiences have been with things like Tozas and Pits, e.g. getting my face licked to death by Judge (Pit), and having Reggie (American Bulldog) rip up a cardboard box and sit beside my desk eyeing up my biscuits.

 

Because of my fear of dogs, and because these dogs helped me get over my fear of dogs, I have a soft spot for them.

 

I am not ignorant to the dangers of powerful dogs, neither am I ignorant enough to believe that all dogs of a certain breed are all the same. Same temperment, same nature, same likes and dislikes...same owners, same history, same upbringing, same training...oh wait, those last things are MAJOR factors in how a dog will behave.

 

For example, as I've said, we have 2 whippets. They'll happily sit there while I shoot my air rifle in the back garden. They won't flinch at all, after the second shot. One of them actually likes to sit at my feet while I shoot. But whippets are notorious for being jumpey and scared of everything.

 

For even more fun, the US has Temperment Testing for dog species. The Pitbull turns out to have a top 5 rating of all dog breeds in the US for STABILITY! Meaning, of all the breeds of dog in the USA, pitbulls are in the top 5 most mentally stable dogs. Now there's a headline that doesn't get reported!

[northern lad 2,292]

 

 

I called Ian and asked about Pits. A 3 hour conversation ensued!

 

To summarise: They are the best behaved dog. It will do WHATEVER you train it to do. If you teach it to be relaxed and good aroudn kids and other dogs, it'll be relaxed and good around kids and other dogs. The reason people choose Pits is because they're so easy to train and so obedient. A Pit, if left into the wild will revert to original settings, they'll fight to the death to protect and kill for food. They're not savage animals, just very determined and easy to train. The biggest problem is that some are bred because of a genetic psychosis. All dog breeds have this issue, and psycho dogs are usually put down. But with Pits, the psychos were bred for fighting. It's not the breed that's bad, it's the ones people bred to fight and were trained to fight. We only hear about psycho Pits because they were 'the best available'. We never heard of dangerous Staffies. Now we hear about it because they're the next best thing for fighting. When Staffies are illegal, it'll be some other dog that's then bred to fight, and the psychos will be bred, and all of that animal will be illegal.

 

There was a hell of a lot more discussed. He spoke about how certain breeds we have are simply bred to guard, bred to herd, bred to keep watch and bark, bred to fetch, and things like that. The conversation was amazing and really enlightening. Granted I am somewhat naive when it comes to dogs, but I am always willing to learn and do have a desire to do so.

I read through this twice before I realised it's a wind up lol

 

His words, not mine mate.

 

 

Get back on the phone to Ian,tell him to pack the dog lark in and get some well balanced (non psycho bred)) roller canaries instead ,if he really wants to push the boat out maybe a few pigeons

[staffs riffraff 1,068]

Pitaulls are not pets they are bred 4 1 thing anyone who thinks they r is silly can they make good companions yes but should they be

[gnasher16 30,267]

With every respect RemyBolt.......your pal is probably not the best person to ask.....i have my doubts either you or him have ever even seen a pure performance bred bulldog let alone owned one.......asking Cesar Milan about the ins and outs of a fighting dogs mind is like asking Jeremy Kyle about the ins and outs of a junkies mind.......or asking a driving instructor his views on Formula 1 racing.

 

You probably dont realise what you are doing but in my opinion its the height of ignorance to be telling people who have probably forgotten more on a subject than you will ever know what is what ......I have an interest in working Lurchers and Terriers but i wouldnt dream of coming on somewhere like this and telling folk whats what based on what a friend of mine who has a pet Lurcher told me.

Edited June 5, 2014 by gnasher16

[The Seeker 3,048]

I know mine would. But that's not why I have a dog.

Hey KD I know you like them mate and I understand why you feel strongly.

I'm the opposite I'd put them all to sleep along with thier owners lol

But I make no bones about the fact I f*****g hate those type of dogs if I never saw one again it be to soon

I'm with Scothunter on this I just don't see the point.

 

Sorry and all that but give me a springer or any gundog as a companion every time

[bird 9,966]

 

With every respect RemyBolt.......your pal is probably not the best person to ask.....i have my doubts either you or him have ever even seen a pure performance bred bulldog let alone owned one.......asking Cesar Milan about the ins and outs of a fighting dogs mind is like asking Jeremy Kyle about the ins and outs of a junkies mind.......or asking a driving instructor his views on Formula 1 racing.

 

You probably dont realise what you are doing but in my opinion its the height of ignorance to be telling people who have probably forgotten more on a subject than you will ever know what is what ......I have an interest in working Lurchers and Terriers but i wouldnt dream of coming on somewhere like this and telling folk whats what based on what a friend of mine who has a pet Lurcher told me.

 

spot on gnash , we had few pit +staffs when I was a kid, and these weren't really fast lane stuff, but apart from a game pit nothing would touch them.And have said before they were always kept in kennel+ runs and only loosed out with my old man there othere wise they didn't come out, there werent really pets like some of my lurchers have been . I love pits but never really looked at them as pet type dogs in 50 years .

[Guest vin]

RemyBolt... have you ever tried to seperate 2 pitbulls when they are in kill mode ?

 

In the early 1980's when it was the new big thing in the UK to own a PIT my mate had a few terriers,Lurchers and a little staffie plus 2 little kids under the age 0f 5. . his missis wanted this Pitbull puppy bred locally by one of the top dog men etc etc. . .

 

the pup was a stunner and everyone used to comment on how well behaved it was with the kids and other dogs...they would all be pulling it in every direction and the staffie would be rolling around playfighting with it. . . it was a bootifull site my good man... My mate and his wife were no numpties at all when it came to the dogs and he knew what the crack was with training etc etc. . .the dog was as you say " a credit to them ".

 

blah blah blah.. 12 months down the line...for some reason or another they couple split up and my mate left the wife and kids. . .he took the lurchers and terriers and she kept the 2 bulls.

 

2 weeks later I get a phone call in the middle of the night form his wife... She was screaming down the phone for me to please come to the house and help her with the dog, as it was trying to kill them.

 

I kid you not... the dog got a bee in its bonnet over some food with the staffie and next thing it went from this lovely little puppy into a serious lump of teeth and trouble.. the Staffie was half dead when it finally dropped it for a second ( only to get a better grip obviously )..this was all in front of 2 screaming kids in the kitchen of her house...she managed to pick up the staffie,But the Pit was jumping up trying to get it off her..She managed to get it locked in the kitchen and the staffie in the front room.. thats when she phoned me... but as she,s talking to me I can hear this dog chewing it way through the kitchen/front room door..It was screaming with excitiment like nothing I had ever heard before.

 

WHen I got to the house some 10-15 mins later the thing has chewed through the kitchen door and the door at bottom of stairs and was on its way through the bathroom door to where her and the kids and half dead staffie were locked screaming for there lives.

The thing was completely gone in the head and there was no calming it down. . . I mean no chance in hell.

 

what would you have done with that lovely little doggy Remybolt ?

[marshman 7,758]

 

 

With every respect RemyBolt.......your pal is probably not the best person to ask.....i have my doubts either you or him have ever even seen a pure performance bred bulldog let alone owned one.......asking Cesar Milan about the ins and outs of a fighting dogs mind is like asking Jeremy Kyle about the ins and outs of a junkies mind.......or asking a driving instructor his views on Formula 1 racing.

 

You probably dont realise what you are doing but in my opinion its the height of ignorance to be telling people who have probably forgotten more on a subject than you will ever know what is what ......I have an interest in working Lurchers and Terriers but i wouldnt dream of coming on somewhere like this and telling folk whats what based on what a friend of mine who has a pet Lurcher told me.

spot on !

[gnasher16 30,267]

 

 

With every respect RemyBolt.......your pal is probably not the best person to ask.....i have my doubts either you or him have ever even seen a pure performance bred bulldog let alone owned one.......asking Cesar Milan about the ins and outs of a fighting dogs mind is like asking Jeremy Kyle about the ins and outs of a junkies mind.......or asking a driving instructor his views on Formula 1 racing.

 

You probably dont realise what you are doing but in my opinion its the height of ignorance to be telling people who have probably forgotten more on a subject than you will ever know what is what ......I have an interest in working Lurchers and Terriers but i wouldnt dream of coming on somewhere like this and telling folk whats what based on what a friend of mine who has a pet Lurcher told me.

 

spot on gnash , we had few pit +staffs when I was a kid, and these weren't really fast lane stuff, but apart from a game pit nothing would touch them.And have said before they were always kept in kennel+ runs and only loosed out with my old man there othere wise they didn't come out, there werent really pets like some of my lurchers have been . I love pits but never really looked at them as pet type dogs in 50 years .

 

The trouble is mate folk judge pit bulls on the dogs they see today...........yet 90% of todays breed of American Pit Bull Terrier are absolutely nothing like the dogs i/we grew up on........i have trouble even seeing them as the same breed of dog !!!......Yet what people dont realise is that pretty little cuteypie that will roll over and do anything you tell him could well have deeply game hard intensely driven athletes close up in his background........5 generations is not an awful long time in historical context its not like we are talking about a British Bulldog that might have pinned the bull 150 years ago.........20 years thats all we,re talking,as little as 20 years ago that sweet little pooch,s great grand daddy could of been belly scratching his way to victory in the most testing of proving grounds.....................and little old Ian thinks he can dominate a dog with this type of genetic make up !!!...................people have played the lottery with these dogs for years only they are too ignorant to see it.

[bird 9,966]

 

 

 

With every respect RemyBolt.......your pal is probably not the best person to ask.....i have my doubts either you or him have ever even seen a pure performance bred bulldog let alone owned one.......asking Cesar Milan about the ins and outs of a fighting dogs mind is like asking Jeremy Kyle about the ins and outs of a junkies mind.......or asking a driving instructor his views on Formula 1 racing.

 

You probably dont realise what you are doing but in my opinion its the height of ignorance to be telling people who have probably forgotten more on a subject than you will ever know what is what ......I have an interest in working Lurchers and Terriers but i wouldnt dream of coming on somewhere like this and telling folk whats what based on what a friend of mine who has a pet Lurcher told me.

 

spot on gnash , we had few pit +staffs when I was a kid, and these weren't really fast lane stuff, but apart from a game pit nothing would touch them.And have said before they were always kept in kennel+ runs and only loosed out with my old man there othere wise they didn't come out, there werent really pets like some of my lurchers have been . I love pits but never really looked at them as pet type dogs in 50 years .

 

The trouble is mate folk judge pit bulls on the dogs they see today...........yet 90% of todays breed of American Pit Bull Terrier are absolutely nothing like the dogs i/we grew up on........i have trouble even seeing them as the same breed of dog !!!......Yet what people dont realise is that pretty little cuteypie that will roll over and do anything you tell him could well have deeply game hard intensely driven athletes close up in his background........5 generations is not an awful long time in historical context its not like we are talking about a British Bulldog that might have pinned the bull 150 years ago.........20 years thats all we,re talking,as little as 20 years ago that sweet little pooch,s great grand daddy could of been belly scratching his way to victory in the most testing of proving grounds.....................and little old Ian thinks he can dominate a dog with this type of genetic make up !!!...................people have played the lottery with these dogs for years only they are too ignorant to see it.

 

[RemyBolt 420]

Vin, I can happily say I have never tried to split up 2 pits trying to fight. I could imagine it is near impossible.

 

Gnasher, I do agree that I have certainly not seen a premier fighting dog. Reggie (not one of Ian's dogs) is the direct decendent of a pure fighter in Europe. Can't remember the breed. I think American Bulldog X, but not 100% sure. With the Caeser Millan comment, I'm 50:50 on that, I get where you're coming from, but don't fully agree. But people like Shorty Rossi and Tia Torres, who have Pitbull rescue centres for Pits, I do trust their knowledge.

 

If I'm wrong, I'm happy to admit it. I'm speaking from my (limited) experience and the experiences of those that I know have knowledge on the subject, e.g. Tia Torres, and my friend that keeps them. So I will admit I am relaying information of my limited experience and their vast daily dealings.

 

I do think that they are a potentially dangerous, much in the same way that dynamite is potentially dangerous. In the wrong hands and if you don't know what you're doing, then POTENTIALLY deadly is a way to describe them.

 

Neither have I said they are an animal that should be kept as a pet by Joe Public (I don't think having a dog is a right, it's a privilage and not one everyone is entitled to...in my opinion). But the same is true of many other kinds of dog.

 

I was on the ATTS website and the results of their testing was:

AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER 870 755 115 86.8%

Meaning of 870 tested, 755 passed, 115 failed, giving a breed stability of 86.8%

http://atts.org/breed-statistics/statistics-page1/

http://atts.org/tt-test-description/ (I admit it's not the perfect test, but it's a good start)

 

 

Out of curiosity, how many people here have direct experience owning a 'dangerous breed'?