RemyBolt 420 Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 What defence did the crow have against you and your air gun? Nature can be cruel, have you ever seen a proper wildlife program? I dont mean the modern Cwis Packham type shit either. technically you broke the law under the terms of the general licence when you shot that crow. The only thing that comes remotely close to covering you is the clause that allows you to kill to conserve songbirds, but even that don't apply because last time I checked pigeons weren't classed as songbirds. If I remember rightly, they were the same crows that were destroying crops and pecking the farmers animals. So he was well within the GL. The pigeon was just another unfortunate victim. Would you really be willing to travel all the way from somerset? its a good three hour journey Probably. Just depends if the wife is okay to look after it. Friday would be the soonest I could come up. I would prefer to be the last course of action though. Have you called the RSPB? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
clipo 871 Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 How far were you from the attack and how come the pigeons were on the ground........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danw 1,748 Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 So you shot the crow as it was about to kill they squabs what if the crow was feeding fledglings?now you've prolonged the death of those squabs to the extent that one has starved and potentially starved a clutch of fledging crows.Your misguided sense of morality and duty could well have caused more suffering than just leaving well alone.It's a harsh lesson but one that every hunter needs to rationalise. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fireman 10,927 Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Bollocks to the poxy crow and if it's nest dies then double good as you've saved more than those youngsters ,imo you did well and well done on both of those trying to do something about rearing the squabs . 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shuter745 0 Posted June 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 you should have left well alone in the first place , all you can do now is top the squabIm nt ging to stand by and watch a defenseless bird be pecked to death. What defence did the crow have against you and your air gun? Nature can be cruel, have you ever seen a proper wildlife program? I dont mean the modern Cwis Packham type shit either. technically you broke the law under the terms of the general licence when you shot that crow. The only thing that comes remotely close to covering you is the clause that allows you to kill to conserve songbirds, but even that don't apply because last time I checked pigeons weren't classed as songbirds. I never actually researched about killing crows only from word of mouth but your right it is illegal i should have looked it up really. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shuter745 0 Posted June 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 So you shot the crow as it was about to kill they squabs what if the crow was feeding fledglings?now you've prolonged the death of those squabs to the extent that one has starved and potentially starved a clutch of fledging crows.Your misguided sense of morality and duty could well have caused more suffering than just leaving well alone.It's a harsh lesson but one that every hunter needs to rationalise. I think your blowing this out of proportion really its like saying if you drive a car your burning fuel which causes pollution, pollution destroys the earth=millions dead but i bet you drive car car don't you? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shuter745 0 Posted June 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 How far were you from the attack and how come the pigeons were on the ground........ I assume they were chucked out of the nest and about 30 yards i encountered them unexpectedly as i was trying to stalk rabbits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
clipo 871 Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 How far were you from the attack and how come the pigeons were on the ground........ I assume they were chucked out of the nest and about 30 yards i encountered them unexpectedly as i was trying to stalk rabbits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danw 1,748 Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 So you shot the crow as it was about to kill they squabs what if the crow was feeding fledglings?now you've prolonged the death of those squabs to the extent that one has starved and potentially starved a clutch of fledging crows.Your misguided sense of morality and duty could well have caused more suffering than just leaving well alone.It's a harsh lesson but one that every hunter needs to rationalise. I think your blowing this out of proportion really its like saying if you drive a car your burning fuel which causes pollution, pollution destroys the earth=millions dead but i bet you drive car car don't you? Actually its nothing at all like using a car,you missed the point entirely as but there it is. All I would ask is why are the pigeon squabs lives more important than the crows life you took? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
unlacedgecko 1,466 Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 So you shot the crow as it was about to kill they squabs what if the crow was feeding fledglings?now you've prolonged the death of those squabs to the extent that one has starved and potentially starved a clutch of fledging crows.Your misguided sense of morality and duty could well have caused more suffering than just leaving well alone.It's a harsh lesson but one that every hunter needs to rationalise. I think your blowing this out of proportion really its like saying if you drive a car your burning fuel which causes pollution, pollution destroys the earth=millions dead but i bet you drive car car don't you? Actually its nothing at all like using a car,you missed the point entirely as but there it is.All I would ask is why are the pigeon squabs lives more important than the crows life you took? Because they are cute(?) babies obviously... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RemyBolt 420 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 So you shot the crow as it was about to kill they squabs what if the crow was feeding fledglings?now you've prolonged the death of those squabs to the extent that one has starved and potentially starved a clutch of fledging crows.Your misguided sense of morality and duty could well have caused more suffering than just leaving well alone.It's a harsh lesson but one that every hunter needs to rationalise.I think your blowing this out of proportion really its like saying if you drive a car your burning fuel which causes pollution, pollution destroys the earth=millions dead but i bet you drive car car don't you? Actually its nothing at all like using a car,you missed the point entirely as but there it is.All I would ask is why are the pigeon squabs lives more important than the crows life you took? Because they are cute(?) babies obviously... Or he may have thought they were songbirds and took the shot. Simple mistake. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shuter745 0 Posted June 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 So you shot the crow as it was about to kill they squabs what if the crow was feeding fledglings?now you've prolonged the death of those squabs to the extent that one has starved and potentially starved a clutch of fledging crows.Your misguided sense of morality and duty could well have caused more suffering than just leaving well alone.It's a harsh lesson but one that every hunter needs to rationalise.I think your blowing this out of proportion really its like saying if you drive a car your burning fuel which causes pollution, pollution destroys the earth=millions dead but i bet you drive car car don't you? Actually its nothing at all like using a car,you missed the point entirely as but there it is.All I would ask is why are the pigeon squabs lives more important than the crows life you took? Because they are cute(?) babies obviously... Or he may have thought they were songbirds and took the shot. Simple mistake. exactly how were i to know they were not songbirds? All i could see were the chicks and as regards to your question of importance between the two the pigeons are babies the crows are not Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danw 1,748 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 So you shot the crow as it was about to kill they squabs what if the crow was feeding fledglings?now you've prolonged the death of those squabs to the extent that one has starved and potentially starved a clutch of fledging crows.Your misguided sense of morality and duty could well have caused more suffering than just leaving well alone.It's a harsh lesson but one that every hunter needs to rationalise.I think your blowing this out of proportion really its like saying if you drive a car your burning fuel which causes pollution, pollution destroys the earth=millions dead but i bet you drive car car don't you? Actually its nothing at all like using a car,you missed the point entirely as but there it is.All I would ask is why are the pigeon squabs lives more important than the crows life you took? Because they are cute(?) babies obviously... Or he may have thought they were songbirds and took the shot. Simple mistake. exactly how were i to know they were not songbirds? All i could see were the chicks and as regards to your question of importance between the two the pigeons are babies the crows are not Well that explains that then you really are a knight in shiny armour protecting those poor wickle baby pigeons from they nasty crows. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shuter745 0 Posted June 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 So you shot the crow as it was about to kill they squabs what if the crow was feeding fledglings?now you've prolonged the death of those squabs to the extent that one has starved and potentially starved a clutch of fledging crows.Your misguided sense of morality and duty could well have caused more suffering than just leaving well alone.It's a harsh lesson but one that every hunter needs to rationalise.I think your blowing this out of proportion really its like saying if you drive a car your burning fuel which causes pollution, pollution destroys the earth=millions dead but i bet you drive car car don't you? Actually its nothing at all like using a car,you missed the point entirely as but there it is.All I would ask is why are the pigeon squabs lives more important than the crows life you took? Because they are cute(?) babies obviously... Or he may have thought they were songbirds and took the shot. Simple mistake. exactly how were i to know they were not songbirds? All i could see were the chicks and as regards to your question of importance between the two the pigeons are babies the crows are not Well that explains that then you really are a knight in shiny armour protecting those poor wickle baby pigeons from they nasty crows. I did what was fair i understand the points that you have made but there is no need for childish remarks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RemyBolt 420 Posted June 11, 2014 Report Share Posted June 11, 2014 This world has a level of irony that does not grow old! In the office at the moment, sat next to a box. Granted sitting next to a box is nothing impressive. But let me explain... The temperature over here is pretty high, so I open my window. My hunter's eye (you know when you get used to automatically spotting animals around you) sort out a small black object out of place. I pop into the gravel carpark to find a baby corvid (possibly crow, rook, raven, or jackdaw) sat on the floor. Usually I'd leave it there, but this time there was an issue. The local cat population is near double figures. So now I'm sat in the office next to a box, which contains a lovely little baby corvid. AWKWARD!!! Although I may have bird-like features, I'm no bird. This is one for the wife to deal with. Thank F she works at the vets. Already her "AWW AN ANIMAL!!! WE'LL SAVE IT!!!" brain has kicked in and apparently we're converting our shed into an aviary. I LOVE crows, and refuse to shoot them. Rooks, jackdaws, etc, okay, but not crows. So I do know a fair bit about them. As a result, care for this will simply be a refresher. The true irony, aside from this thread.....I had started a post in the 'falconry' section earlier this week, or at the end of last week, about how to get started in falconry!!! HAHAHAHA LOVE IT!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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