17 Hmr Bullet Head Jamed In Chaimber

[shropshire dan 467]

I was told that the cracks are caused by the necking down process and the case is cold. The cracked cases I have had ive used on targets and never had a jam.

[Alsone 789]

I was told that the cracks are caused by the necking down process and the case is cold. The cracked cases I have had ive used on targets and never had a jam.

 

You should be clear in your post, that you were zeroing with them. Remember the use of expanding ammo is illegal against targets unless zeroing.

 

Re the ammo, in my opinion cracked brass should never get off the production line.

[paulus 26]

 

I was told that the cracks are caused by the necking down process and the case is cold. The cracked cases I have had ive used on targets and never had a jam.

 

You should be clear in your post, that you were zeroing with them. Remember the use of expanding ammo is illegal against targets unless zeroing.

 

Re the ammo, in my opinion cracked brass should never get off the production line.

 

cracks around the neck of spent hmr cases have been around since they were developed by cci, its not a new issue,

[dadioles 68]

 

 

You should be clear in your post, that you were zeroing with them. Remember the use of expanding ammo is illegal against targets unless zeroing.

 

 

 

When I first read that I thought - 'no, he has got that wrong, there is no such law'

 

But... Of course it is down to the 'Conditions' on your licence and that has the force of law.

 

Alsone is quite correct and it is just one more thing to be aware of. You cannot use a gun and ammunition obtained for vermin for target shooting. Presumably target shooting requires membership of a club.

 

My licence is quite specific and my rifle and ammunition may ONLY be used for .... vermin, ground game.... for zeroing on ranges etc. etc. Nice one Alsone.

 

Obviously the term zeroing can be applied quite broadly and testing ammunition loads and trajectory by shooting at a variety of targets at different distances is all part of zeroing. Target shooting with a mate, where the activity is purely for pleasure or mildly competitive is not allowed.

Edited May 23, 2014 by dadioles

[shropshire dan 467]

Fair enough thanks. I do mean zeroing not targets ive never bothered target shooting but do take time zeroing and getting used to different ranges

[Alsone 789]

 

 

 

You should be clear in your post, that you were zeroing with them. Remember the use of expanding ammo is illegal against targets unless zeroing.

 

 

 

When I first read that I thought - 'no, he has got that wrong, there is no such law'

 

 

It is actually in the Law as well and not just a certificate condition, and it can be found in the Firearms Act according to the Firearms Guidelines.

 

Taken from the Firearms Guidelines Nov 2013 P. 28

 

 

...section 5(1A)(f) of the Firearms Act 1968 now prohibits any ammunition which incorporates a missile designed or adapted to expand on impact.

 

 

Exemptions

4.4 Section 10 of the 1997 Act amended section 5A(4) of the 1968 Act, to exempt from the general prohibition of expanding ammunition people who use it for specific purposes. The exemptions cover those people who use expanding ammunition for the:

i. lawful shooting of deer;

ii. shooting of vermin or, in the course of estate management, other wildlife (for more information see chapter 13);

iii. humane killing of animals; and

iv. shooting animals for the protection of other animals or humans.

 

 

Other uses

4.7 Section 10(2)( of the 1997 Act amends section 5A(4)( of the 1968 Act so that the use of expanding ammunition is in connection with the various exempted purposes.

 

This allows, for example, a deer stalker or vermin shooter to zero with their rifle on a range or other suitable land and to do sufficient training and testing with the expanding ammunition.

 

It does not allow them to take part in target shooting, or any competitions using expanding ammunition.

 

Hope that clears it up.

 

Just didn't want anyone making any statements of how they use their ammo that might be unclear to the casual reader and land them in hot water.

[Alsone 789]

 

cracks around the neck of spent hmr cases have been around since they were developed by cci, its not a new issue,

 

 

Yeah it's rubbish though that quality control isn't stopping affected casings reaching the consumer though.

[bbs 26]

Apart for one thing cci dident develop the round hornady did hence the H in hmr the MR stands for magnum rimfire

[paulus 26]

Apart for one thing cci dident develop the round hornady did hence the H in hmr the MR stands for magnum rimfire

cci were the only company with the equipment to neck down the 22wmr case, they made the rounds for all the main companies including hornady and Remington when the 17hmr first went into production

[SportingShooter 0]

I think CCI still manufacture the vast majority of HMR ammunition for Hornady, Winchester, Remington and Federal,

 

Which is why it was strange that some cases cracked more with certain brands than others.

 

I suppose if you're talking the millions of rounds they make for each manufacturer, each will specify it's own brass strength for cost purposes.

[abarrett 462]

Come on 50 shots for £12

 

What do you want you have got to expect a few duff bullets

 

When your paying £35 for 20 centre fire bullets I would expect next to perfect

 

 

 

I also want to say sorry to anyone who thought I was serious when I said load a bullet behind a blockage

 

And fire it.As was pointed out that post was dangerous and should be removed

 

I didn't think anyone who holds a fac would take that serious

 

Really

[SportingShooter 0]

I don't see why I should expect anything less than well made cartridges for that price, a .22LR is much, much cheaper than the .17 HMR and I have very few problems with badly constructed rounds. Accuracy is another thing, but the cartridges are well made.

 

It's all about scale. A HMR case is pennies to manufacture on a mass scale, as are the heads, powders and priming compounds. A centrefire is a thicker case to withstand the pressures it creates, there is far more powder and the primer is a separate entity. I don't think some of the prices you see for centrefire rounds is justified but I can see why they cost more for less.

 

Still don't see why I should expect to have bad rounds just because I shoot a smaller, cheaper to produce round.

 

SS

 

P.S. I didn't remove your post so that it could be corrected later on. Otherwise someone could have seen it in a cache on a search engine even when deleted and think it may be safe to do out of context.

[Deker 3,478]

I think CCI still manufacture the vast majority of HMR ammunition for Hornady, Winchester, Remington and Federal,

 

Which is why it was strange that some cases cracked more with certain brands than others.

 

I suppose if you're talking the millions of rounds they make for each manufacturer, each will specify it's own brass strength for cost purposes.

 

:thumbs:

 

Very true, CCI still make a lot of the HMR and simply brand it, but not all, and not Winchester! There is more than a suggestion that Federal make their own as well, (if anyone can confirm or otherwise I would be interested) but Federal and CCI are both owned by ATK, so arguably come under the same umbrella anyway!

 

From: cciexpert@ATK.com

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> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 17:37:40 +0000

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> Deker, we don't make Winchester 17HMR ammunition and there may others.

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> Make Every Shot Count!

> Justin M.

> CCI/Speer

> 2299 Snake River Ave

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Edited May 28, 2014 by Deker

[SportingShooter 0]

Didn't know Winchester wasn't included,

 

It always shot well in my HMR compared to the others.

[andyf 144]

Duff 17 ammo is not a recent aberration, I had one when they first came out, and

my first lot of Remington had more than one misfire, I think it was that no powder

was loaded, the primer went off and that was sufficient to unseat the bullet and squirt

is 2" or so up the barrel. Like above I took to taking the cleaning rod with me in

the truck just in case. I also noticed split necks on the empties, although that didn't

affect the shot.

Anyway I didn't enjoy the 17hmr experience much and traded it back for another 22.250.

Expensive ammo, and not enough zip for foxes (my opinion only).