Pups After There 1St Weetabix

[Lab 10,979]

Who on here can look at a pup and tell whether it's on weetabix or meat? Erm...no one!!

Grown up with litters of pups and they have all had a mixture of meat and cereals. All been big healthy strong pups.

[roybo 2,873]

As opposed to feeding what, meat?no one said it would harm just meat would have been the best way ,read back moorside lol,you are starting to look as though you just want to argue.about something you know little about.

[socks 32,253]

 

 

 

Lordy, fella put a pic up celebrating his pups and every holier than thou expert on puppy rearing see an opportunity to blow their own trumpet . Recon he was using Weetabix as an introduction to solids rather than a permanent diet so cant see what the fuss was about .

 

 

But since we have so many experts Ive one question for all you dieticians what did you feed your babies, human, for their first few meals ???????

that's exactly what i am doing mate

 

 

Just a quick reminder before you answer the digestive abilities of humans and dogs are very similar, dogs arent wolves any more than we are cave men .Dogs arent true carnivores like say a cat, basically they are adapted to a mixed diet including starches

Axelsson E. et al, The genomic signature of dog domestication reveals adaptation to a starch-rich diet, Nature, 2013 Jan 23, doi: 10.1038/nature11837, Science for Life Laboratory, Department of Medical Biochemistry and Microbiology, Uppsala University, 75237 Uppsala, Sweden

The idea of carnivores etc is a man made label system that doesnt fit to well to reality. Think more of a continuum with obligate carnivore like cats at one end and ruminants like cows at the other. Most things fall somewhere between these two extremes, monogastrics. Even then they are not fixed at their place but able to move along the line to deal with variable food availability. Consider an Inuit living on a meat based diet in the Artic-circle compared to an arable farmer group such as the Aztecs, both are humans yet one could be called a carnivore and one a herbivore but in truth neither label fits their digestive, evolutionary abilities does it? Wolves had similar abilities which is why they made such a good partnership with ourselves in the first place. Then our pressure on their evolution has enhanced this to bring them ever closer to ourselves. The result dogs are now able to digest and do well on a very catholic diet, carbs wont be passed through but digested and form a valuable part of balanced diet. So if someone wants to give their pups some cereal seems just fine to me.

HOWEVER dogs need meat to survive and flourish ... They couldn't live in the wild on grains and fruits alone ... Also if I put a bowl of cereal on the floor next to a bowl of fresh meat and led a hundred dogs one at a time to the bowls I know what I would put my money on to be the empty bowl every time ..........

He WAS going to introduce meat at a later stage.

HOWEVER thousands of dogs in the UK survive, flourish, thrive and compete at various tasks which have never seen meat in their lives.

You know my thoughts on feeding but it's just my preference. Let's not get blind to the reality that dogs do just fine on dry food, cereals, starchy diets. And they do thrive.

f**k me gaz are you just trying to say the opposite to everything I post ? I was talking about dogs in the wild thriving and that they wouldn't if they only had grains and fruits to eat .. Also how many dogs die each year in the uk through cancer related illness that has been linked to dry food ... You don't hear of dogs dying from cancers that is linked to fresh meat ... If your such a champion of dry foods why do you keep rolling out your bowl full,of meat diet picture at every chance you get ...your last sentence says it all dogs do fine on dry food ... Well I want mine to do more than just fine ... At the end of the day the man can feed his dogs what he likes and I never joined this debate to tell him he was doing anything wrong ... I was merely pointing out that a puppy will do better weaned on meat rather than cereal .......

[snoopdog 1,256]

Full breaky like a full English ??

 

Be shit hot that.. Proteins from the meats and eggs - Potassium in the plum tomatoes..

 

Best coursing dogs raised on Full breakys Snoops

 

 

 

Should see the size of me pals pups.. easy 26 at eight months and not a weetabix in sight

 

iwould like to see a picture of these pups giro when you have a chance mate ..and full breaky all the way mate..;lol

[Lab 10,979]

 

 

 

 

Lordy, fella put a pic up celebrating his pups and every holier than thou expert on puppy rearing see an opportunity to blow their own trumpet . Recon he was using Weetabix as an introduction to solids rather than a permanent diet so cant see what the fuss was about .

 

 

But since we have so many experts Ive one question for all you dieticians what did you feed your babies, human, for their first few meals ???????

that's exactly what i am doing mate

 

 

Just a quick reminder before you answer the digestive abilities of humans and dogs are very similar, dogs arent wolves any more than we are cave men .Dogs arent true carnivores like say a cat, basically they are adapted to a mixed diet including starches

Axelsson E. et al, The genomic signature of dog domestication reveals adaptation to a starch-rich diet, Nature, 2013 Jan 23, doi: 10.1038/nature11837, Science for Life Laboratory, Department of Medical Biochemistry and Microbiology, Uppsala University, 75237 Uppsala, Sweden

The idea of carnivores etc is a man made label system that doesnt fit to well to reality. Think more of a continuum with obligate carnivore like cats at one end and ruminants like cows at the other. Most things fall somewhere between these two extremes, monogastrics. Even then they are not fixed at their place but able to move along the line to deal with variable food availability. Consider an Inuit living on a meat based diet in the Artic-circle compared to an arable farmer group such as the Aztecs, both are humans yet one could be called a carnivore and one a herbivore but in truth neither label fits their digestive, evolutionary abilities does it? Wolves had similar abilities which is why they made such a good partnership with ourselves in the first place. Then our pressure on their evolution has enhanced this to bring them ever closer to ourselves. The result dogs are now able to digest and do well on a very catholic diet, carbs wont be passed through but digested and form a valuable part of balanced diet. So if someone wants to give their pups some cereal seems just fine to me.

HOWEVER dogs need meat to survive and flourish ... They couldn't live in the wild on grains and fruits alone ... Also if I put a bowl of cereal on the floor next to a bowl of fresh meat and led a hundred dogs one at a time to the bowls I know what I would put my money on to be the empty bowl every time ..........

He WAS going to introduce meat at a later stage.

HOWEVER thousands of dogs in the UK survive, flourish, thrive and compete at various tasks which have never seen meat in their lives.

You know my thoughts on feeding but it's just my preference. Let's not get blind to the reality that dogs do just fine on dry food, cereals, starchy diets. And they do thrive.

f**k me gaz are you just trying to say the opposite to everything I post ? I was talking about dogs in the wild thriving and that they wouldn't if they only had grains and fruits to eat .. Also how many dogs die each year in the uk through cancer related illness that has been linked to dry food ... You don't hear of dogs dying from cancers that is linked to fresh meat ... If your such a champion of dry foods why do you keep rolling out your bowl full,of meat diet picture at every chance you get ...your last sentence says it all dogs do fine on dry food ... Well I want mine to do more than just fine ... At the end of the day the man can feed his dogs what he likes and I never joined this debate to tell him he was doing anything wrong ... I was merely pointing out that a puppy will do better weaned on meat rather than cereal .......

"Do better".....what does that mean mate? How could you tell the difference at a pup that's weeks old. I think if your feeding weetabix further down the line then that will have an impact. At weanin stage it makes no difference...IMO

[socks 32,253]

 

 

 

 

 

Lordy, fella put a pic up celebrating his pups and every holier than thou expert on puppy rearing see an opportunity to blow their own trumpet . Recon he was using Weetabix as an introduction to solids rather than a permanent diet so cant see what the fuss was about .

 

 

But since we have so many experts Ive one question for all you dieticians what did you feed your babies, human, for their first few meals ???????

that's exactly what i am doing mate

 

 

Just a quick reminder before you answer the digestive abilities of humans and dogs are very similar, dogs arent wolves any more than we are cave men .Dogs arent true carnivores like say a cat, basically they are adapted to a mixed diet including starches

Axelsson E. et al, The genomic signature of dog domestication reveals adaptation to a starch-rich diet, Nature, 2013 Jan 23, doi: 10.1038/nature11837, Science for Life Laboratory, Department of Medical Biochemistry and Microbiology, Uppsala University, 75237 Uppsala, Sweden

The idea of carnivores etc is a man made label system that doesnt fit to well to reality. Think more of a continuum with obligate carnivore like cats at one end and ruminants like cows at the other. Most things fall somewhere between these two extremes, monogastrics. Even then they are not fixed at their place but able to move along the line to deal with variable food availability. Consider an Inuit living on a meat based diet in the Artic-circle compared to an arable farmer group such as the Aztecs, both are humans yet one could be called a carnivore and one a herbivore but in truth neither label fits their digestive, evolutionary abilities does it? Wolves had similar abilities which is why they made such a good partnership with ourselves in the first place. Then our pressure on their evolution has enhanced this to bring them ever closer to ourselves. The result dogs are now able to digest and do well on a very catholic diet, carbs wont be passed through but digested and form a valuable part of balanced diet. So if someone wants to give their pups some cereal seems just fine to me.

HOWEVER dogs need meat to survive and flourish ... They couldn't live in the wild on grains and fruits alone ... Also if I put a bowl of cereal on the floor next to a bowl of fresh meat and led a hundred dogs one at a time to the bowls I know what I would put my money on to be the empty bowl every time ..........

He WAS going to introduce meat at a later stage.

HOWEVER thousands of dogs in the UK survive, flourish, thrive and compete at various tasks which have never seen meat in their lives.

You know my thoughts on feeding but it's just my preference. Let's not get blind to the reality that dogs do just fine on dry food, cereals, starchy diets. And they do thrive.

f**k me gaz are you just trying to say the opposite to everything I post ? I was talking about dogs in the wild thriving and that they wouldn't if they only had grains and fruits to eat .. Also how many dogs die each year in the uk through cancer related illness that has been linked to dry food ... You don't hear of dogs dying from cancers that is linked to fresh meat ... If your such a champion of dry foods why do you keep rolling out your bowl full,of meat diet picture at every chance you get ...your last sentence says it all dogs do fine on dry food ... Well I want mine to do more than just fine ... At the end of the day the man can feed his dogs what he likes and I never joined this debate to tell him he was doing anything wrong ... I was merely pointing out that a puppy will do better weaned on meat rather than cereal .......

"Do better".....what does that mean mate? How could you tell the difference at a pup that's weeks old. I think if your feeding weetabix further down the line then that will have an impact. At weanin stage it makes no difference...IMO

So a growing pup that needs protein to grow strong bones muscle tendons etc will do better coming off its mothers milk and going onto a cereal than it will by going onto meat ??? I don't see that ........

[teddog 59]

i trust that everyone critising gaffers feeding regime is feeding there dogs a complete BARF diet.

[Lab 10,979]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lordy, fella put a pic up celebrating his pups and every holier than thou expert on puppy rearing see an opportunity to blow their own trumpet . Recon he was using Weetabix as an introduction to solids rather than a permanent diet so cant see what the fuss was about .

 

 

But since we have so many experts Ive one question for all you dieticians what did you feed your babies, human, for their first few meals ???????

that's exactly what i am doing mate

 

 

Just a quick reminder before you answer the digestive abilities of humans and dogs are very similar, dogs arent wolves any more than we are cave men .Dogs arent true carnivores like say a cat, basically they are adapted to a mixed diet including starches

Axelsson E. et al, The genomic signature of dog domestication reveals adaptation to a starch-rich diet, Nature, 2013 Jan 23, doi: 10.1038/nature11837, Science for Life Laboratory, Department of Medical Biochemistry and Microbiology, Uppsala University, 75237 Uppsala, Sweden

The idea of carnivores etc is a man made label system that doesnt fit to well to reality. Think more of a continuum with obligate carnivore like cats at one end and ruminants like cows at the other. Most things fall somewhere between these two extremes, monogastrics. Even then they are not fixed at their place but able to move along the line to deal with variable food availability. Consider an Inuit living on a meat based diet in the Artic-circle compared to an arable farmer group such as the Aztecs, both are humans yet one could be called a carnivore and one a herbivore but in truth neither label fits their digestive, evolutionary abilities does it? Wolves had similar abilities which is why they made such a good partnership with ourselves in the first place. Then our pressure on their evolution has enhanced this to bring them ever closer to ourselves. The result dogs are now able to digest and do well on a very catholic diet, carbs wont be passed through but digested and form a valuable part of balanced diet. So if someone wants to give their pups some cereal seems just fine to me.

HOWEVER dogs need meat to survive and flourish ... They couldn't live in the wild on grains and fruits alone ... Also if I put a bowl of cereal on the floor next to a bowl of fresh meat and led a hundred dogs one at a time to the bowls I know what I would put my money on to be the empty bowl every time ..........

He WAS going to introduce meat at a later stage.

HOWEVER thousands of dogs in the UK survive, flourish, thrive and compete at various tasks which have never seen meat in their lives.

You know my thoughts on feeding but it's just my preference. Let's not get blind to the reality that dogs do just fine on dry food, cereals, starchy diets. And they do thrive.

f**k me gaz are you just trying to say the opposite to everything I post ? I was talking about dogs in the wild thriving and that they wouldn't if they only had grains and fruits to eat .. Also how many dogs die each year in the uk through cancer related illness that has been linked to dry food ... You don't hear of dogs dying from cancers that is linked to fresh meat ... If your such a champion of dry foods why do you keep rolling out your bowl full,of meat diet picture at every chance you get ...your last sentence says it all dogs do fine on dry food ... Well I want mine to do more than just fine ... At the end of the day the man can feed his dogs what he likes and I never joined this debate to tell him he was doing anything wrong ... I was merely pointing out that a puppy will do better weaned on meat rather than cereal .......

"Do better".....what does that mean mate? How could you tell the difference at a pup that's weeks old. I think if your feeding weetabix further down the line then that will have an impact. At weanin stage it makes no difference...IMO

So a growing pup that needs protein to grow strong bones muscle tendons etc will do better coming off its mothers milk and going onto a cereal than it will by going onto meat ??? I don't see that ........

Well it never bothered any the dogs I've grew up with mate and my grandad swore by a mixture of cereals and meat.

I'm sure gafer is mixing up his cereal content with a bit meat.?

Think this is the problem on this site that an opinion gets taken as a slagging and it goes off on a tangent.

Another debate for me is 'should pups carry weight' and then work it off or is that bad for there bones to carry weight when young. Causes divide that question too...?

[socks 32,253]

i trust that everyone critising gaffers feeding regime is feeding there dogs a complete BARF diet.

I am not criticising his feeding regime but here is my feeding ........

 

3 WEEKS OLD BEING WEANED ........

 

 

WHAT THEY EAT AS ADULTS ........

 

[socks 32,253]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lordy, fella put a pic up celebrating his pups and every holier than thou expert on puppy rearing see an opportunity to blow their own trumpet . Recon he was using Weetabix as an introduction to solids rather than a permanent diet so cant see what the fuss was about .

 

 

But since we have so many experts Ive one question for all you dieticians what did you feed your babies, human, for their first few meals ???????

that's exactly what i am doing mate

 

 

Just a quick reminder before you answer the digestive abilities of humans and dogs are very similar, dogs arent wolves any more than we are cave men .Dogs arent true carnivores like say a cat, basically they are adapted to a mixed diet including starches

Axelsson E. et al, The genomic signature of dog domestication reveals adaptation to a starch-rich diet, Nature, 2013 Jan 23, doi: 10.1038/nature11837, Science for Life Laboratory, Department of Medical Biochemistry and Microbiology, Uppsala University, 75237 Uppsala, Sweden

The idea of carnivores etc is a man made label system that doesnt fit to well to reality. Think more of a continuum with obligate carnivore like cats at one end and ruminants like cows at the other. Most things fall somewhere between these two extremes, monogastrics. Even then they are not fixed at their place but able to move along the line to deal with variable food availability. Consider an Inuit living on a meat based diet in the Artic-circle compared to an arable farmer group such as the Aztecs, both are humans yet one could be called a carnivore and one a herbivore but in truth neither label fits their digestive, evolutionary abilities does it? Wolves had similar abilities which is why they made such a good partnership with ourselves in the first place. Then our pressure on their evolution has enhanced this to bring them ever closer to ourselves. The result dogs are now able to digest and do well on a very catholic diet, carbs wont be passed through but digested and form a valuable part of balanced diet. So if someone wants to give their pups some cereal seems just fine to me.

HOWEVER dogs need meat to survive and flourish ... They couldn't live in the wild on grains and fruits alone ... Also if I put a bowl of cereal on the floor next to a bowl of fresh meat and led a hundred dogs one at a time to the bowls I know what I would put my money on to be the empty bowl every time ..........

He WAS going to introduce meat at a later stage.

HOWEVER thousands of dogs in the UK survive, flourish, thrive and compete at various tasks which have never seen meat in their lives.

You know my thoughts on feeding but it's just my preference. Let's not get blind to the reality that dogs do just fine on dry food, cereals, starchy diets. And they do thrive.

f**k me gaz are you just trying to say the opposite to everything I post ? I was talking about dogs in the wild thriving and that they wouldn't if they only had grains and fruits to eat .. Also how many dogs die each year in the uk through cancer related illness that has been linked to dry food ... You don't hear of dogs dying from cancers that is linked to fresh meat ... If your such a champion of dry foods why do you keep rolling out your bowl full,of meat diet picture at every chance you get ...your last sentence says it all dogs do fine on dry food ... Well I want mine to do more than just fine ... At the end of the day the man can feed his dogs what he likes and I never joined this debate to tell him he was doing anything wrong ... I was merely pointing out that a puppy will do better weaned on meat rather than cereal .......

"Do better".....what does that mean mate? How could you tell the difference at a pup that's weeks old. I think if your feeding weetabix further down the line then that will have an impact. At weanin stage it makes no difference...IMO

So a growing pup that needs protein to grow strong bones muscle tendons etc will do better coming off its mothers milk and going onto a cereal than it will by going onto meat ??? I don't see that ........

Well it never bothered any the dogs I've grew up with mate and my grandad swore by a mixture of cereals and meat.

I'm sure gafer is mixing up his cereal content with a bit meat.?

Think this is the problem on this site that an opinion gets taken as a slagging and it goes off on a tangent.

Another debate for me is 'should pups carry weight' and then work it off or is that bad for there bones to carry weight when young. Causes divide that question too...

Fukc me don't start another debate ...........

[teddog 59]

'wow' socks your excellent but your dogs don't eat as well as mine but i'm not telling everybody how they should feed there dogs.

[forest of dean redneck 11,563]

So is feeding weetabix for a few days going to affect the long term health wellbeing and working ability of the pups?

Yeah,their never catch a rabbit,gafer might as well cull them all and start again with a 4 legged sire .

[socks 32,253]

'wow' socks your excellent but your dogs don't eat as well as mine but i'm not telling everybody how they should feed there dogs.

How about this is that better lol ......

 

[riohog 5,701]

aha socks , I see you are feeding the dogs carrots !! that will help them see beter in the dark!!

[socks 32,253]

aha socks , I see you are feeding the dogs carrots !! that will help them see beter in the dark!!

It saves money on a lamp lol .......