J Darcy 5,871 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 What are the legalities of using a drowner for mink, purely to get the animal out of the way of human eyesight. Is it legal or not?Would it be legal if the animals dying convulsions took it down the cable? Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 might get you into trouble although i do not know what the ultimate outcome was http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/aug/19/grey-squirrel-drowned-challenge-rspca Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 looks like this case set a precident in law http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1295883/First-case-kind-Man-told-pay-1-500-guilty-drowning-squirrel.html Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted May 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I think there's a difference...in between a person actually drowning a squirrel (when there are other forms of dispatch) and one thats dying convulsions take it into water.? maybe? Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I think there's a difference...in between a person actually drowning a squirrel (when there are other forms of dispatch) and one thats dying convulsions take it into water.? maybe? but would it not be deemed to cause suffering prior to its death, that would be a breech of the animal welfare act 2006 Quote Link to post
EDDIE B 3,166 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I think there's a difference...in between a person actually drowning a squirrel (when there are other forms of dispatch) and one thats dying convulsions take it into water.? maybe? but would it not be deemed to cause suffering prior to its death, that would be a breech of the animal welfare act 2006 Not in my opinion! First of all your useing approved traps which are designed to quickly dispatch the targeted species! Secondly, who's to prove that the mink e.t.c was still alive by the time it hit the water! I use drowners all the time! It's seldom i have a live mink in a trap, so more humane as far as i'm concerned! Quote Link to post
The one 8,496 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 That guy got shafted over the squirrel but wasn't there airgun pellets in it as well ?, You need to anchor down your trap whos to say the cable was too long and let the mink accidentally fall into the water ?. Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted May 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I am not talking about 'acidents' or long cables, i mean the legalities, of an actual set, the wording of the law. it goes without saying that a drowning set is a very quick death and if there's any life at all left in a quarry species (mink) then it will be soon extinguished. Does anyone know the exact legalities of it all? Quote Link to post
The one 8,496 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 You would need to google the law but everybody's interpretation will be differnt phone clive ? and ask him to be certain Quote Link to post
Phil Lloyd 10,738 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 It is illegal to deliberately drown a mammal in the UK... A Kania 2000 trap will definitely dispatch a mink,... I have seen a couple enter the tunnel, and they are soon dead, and I do mean, proper dead...! A wee flick of their tail,..and it is lights out, permanent.... I have also seen Mink in the Fenn Mk6,.. and it did not kill them.... Curiously enough,..and considering my own history with the traps, I have never seen a mink hit a Body Gripper. In theory, this style of killing trap should ,.by its very nature and striking action,.kill the target species, pretty damn quickly.. However, I believe all traps set near water,.should be provided with enough wire line to reach a stream/lake. Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted May 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 I have also s However, I believe all traps set near water,.should be provided with enough wire line to reach a stream/lake. That's what I mean...is it illegal to provide this means to reach water to the animal trapped. I.e, by allowing the mink to reach water, albeit in it's death throws, are you commiting an offence? I've spoken to alot of people lately and no one seems to come up with an definite answer.... Quote Link to post
OldTrapCollector 377 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 JD - ask Natural England, they are the people in the know on this OTC Quote Link to post
Mr Wasp 187 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 JD - ask Natural England, they are the people in the know on this OTC Handy isn't it? The folk that make up the guidelines and regulations appear to be the only ones in the know! Why on earth don't they produce a clear document outlining trapping regulations that cover all these points? If you set a killing trap, i.e Kania, bodygripper etc and the target ends up in a river after being caught, you could strongly argue that you have not set out to drown the target. This is obviously down to interpretation and only a judge would decide either way. Quote Link to post
The one 8,496 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Thing is this is when somebody will spot a trap when theres a catch in it and possibly steal it with enough cable on it to reach water its out of sight to these two legged vermin 2 Quote Link to post
Matt 160 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 Let's not forget that there was no legal precedent set with the notorious squirrel drowner... he pleaded guilty. If you set a trap that's approved to kill pests, and it's victim ends up in the water, only a PM would provide evidence that it drowned. Highly unlikely to be prosecuted IMHO, but only NE could provide a definitive answer as they are the ones who would do the prosecuting. Quote Link to post
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