When Should The Terrier Travel ?

[Bryan 1,362]

Better to ask your questions out with the Harrier pack you hunt with or to the guy who bred your terrier, than here on the internet.

 

Message boards are full of rigid opinions and absolutes, whereas in reality most successful dogmen are flexible in their approach and more open in their interpretations of situations out hunting especially with younger dogs. Or else they are liars

[jeemes 4,483]

This thread ain't about hounds lol

 

I'm far from an experienced terrier man but I know what suits us...

 

So what's the thoughts of guys that been doing it years? Mark on lead or let them travel? Or is it all dogs work different?

 

Got to say a dog that marks on lead or at hole at least saves a lot of time for me

I wouldnt know how to train a dog to mark other than what comes natural to him. Has most men know any kind of cajoling or encouragment to a dog will only teach false marking. A dog can sense what pleases his master easier than you think and will mark to please. Has FD says even a Huntsman getting off his horse can be seen as an indication to mark or that a false one is pleasing him. When i go near a hole with a terrier on or off lead I try to just stand dead still and quiet and let the dog take over.You can only ever say the dog was right when they found really cant you? But when a dog that has been dug to many times walks away and says no without entering you have to trust him/her especially when they have been tested by other terriers that run round the earth in the past and have been found to tell the truth. I dont mind either style but has you say "on the lead" saves time and stinking empty earths with dog smell.

[perthshire keeper 1,239]

For my part if the dogs bred right it will mark right.If a young dog says no ,unless we are on pest control,I never question it have never needed to.The dog is born with the desire to work and the only way it knows how is to go to the scent that draws it.Must be some shite out there if it needs to travel empty places for confidence or whatever.

A waffling terrier is worse than useless and is a cull in my book.

As to hounds marking they are made or broken by the actions of those around them at the time of a mark .The huntsmen off his horse praising hounds at every mark is the worse offender.Hounds will do anything to please him which includes marking badgers as a local pack found out.They came across one in cover and killed it ,even getting blown for a kill as no one bothered to check what it was.Terrier man got very annoyed to say the least.A single waffle tells me all I need to know about a youngster.Never encourage a terrier to a hole ,should never need to,should want in if he's there.Some will not understand any of this ,some will but will pass it off as bigheadedness,some will know exactly what I mean .

to be fair thats made me think.....top post!

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

If a dog walks away that decision is absolute for me .No ifs no thoughts on what might be ,walk on .If another man wants to check behind me fair play but i can honestly say ive only ever seen a dog proved wrong once in 30yrs and that was a dog i had doubts about anyway .If you cant trust a dog from the off you are on a loser from the very start . You cannot train a dog to mark the same as i couldnt get a dog to run a place that was empty.

[Hot Meat 3,109]

Do you fail dogs that won't/can't Mark?

[gonetoearth 5,144]

For my part if the dogs bred right it will mark right.If a young dog says no ,unless we are on pest control,I never question it have never needed to.The dog is born with the desire to work and the only way it knows how is to go to the scent that draws it.Must be some shite out there if it needs to travel empty places for confidence or whatever.

A waffling terrier is worse than useless and is a cull in my book.

As to hounds marking they are made or broken by the actions of those around them at the time of a mark .The huntsmen off his horse praising hounds at every mark is the worse offender.Hounds will do anything to please him which includes marking badgers as a local pack found out.They came across one in cover and killed it ,even getting blown for a kill as no one bothered to check what it was.Terrier man got very annoyed to say the least.A single waffle tells me all I need to know about a youngster.Never encourage a terrier to a hole ,should never need to,should want in if he's there.Some will not understand any of this ,some will but will pass it off as bigheadedness,some will know exactly what I mean .

. Any huntsman. Praising at any. Mark Around young hounds. Aint ahuntsman. Unenterd hounds. Need experience and are enterd along side old hands. Any. One who blows akill. Without seeing it should not even be called a huntsman as for terriers. Again some will run earths some wont. They Are not robots. Entering. A young terrier With no experienc Around marking hounds. Has its own. Conseqenses. , hounds that false mark would not be doing it again. Its. All a matter of opinion as all ways. All iknow is foxhounds. Used to hunt. FOX. My ipad case is f****d lol Edited May 6, 2014 by gonetoearth

[gonetoearth 5,144]

 

 

 

 

 

I've seen a full pack of hounds walk over a single entranced earth without scarcely a second sniff and yet a little terrier bitch marked it strongly on the lead.....I've also seen a great many packs of hounds false mark...I'd trust a good, loyal terrier over a hound any day of the week...

 

The thing with hounds is once one babbles the rest get excited.

. Yeh!!!!!

Say what you mean if you dont agree..

. Me. No mate i bow to your vast knowledge of a breed the foxhound in all its guises. Bred for centurys with a nose that can track a fox for miles uphill and down dale. With the right sent condition , bred down from lines were failier was not tolorated false marking etc against your wee terrier who am i to judge when i dont know you your terrier or the babberling pack inqestion.

I think the word is Babbling not babberling..Its a word used to describe an offence commited by hounds,,Its not my word. I never said I had a vast knowledge or even much knowledge because that would not be true. I cant understand what ive said to offend you.

. You have not

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Do you fail dogs that won't/can't Mark?

If a dog dont /wont mark on a lead it cant work.If it wont work its no good to me .If a dog goes for any amount of time not marking i want to know why but seriously once a terrier is started i wouldnt doubt it ever .

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

 

For my part if the dogs bred right it will mark right.If a young dog says no ,unless we are on pest control,I never question it have never needed to.The dog is born with the desire to work and the only way it knows how is to go to the scent that draws it.Must be some shite out there if it needs to travel empty places for confidence or whatever.

A waffling terrier is worse than useless and is a cull in my book.

As to hounds marking they are made or broken by the actions of those around them at the time of a mark .The huntsmen off his horse praising hounds at every mark is the worse offender.Hounds will do anything to please him which includes marking badgers as a local pack found out.They came across one in cover and killed it ,even getting blown for a kill as no one bothered to check what it was.Terrier man got very annoyed to say the least.A single waffle tells me all I need to know about a youngster.Never encourage a terrier to a hole ,should never need to,should want in if he's there.Some will not understand any of this ,some will but will pass it off as bigheadedness,some will know exactly what I mean .

. Any huntsman. Praising at any. Mark Around young hounds. Aint ahuntsman. Unenterd hounds. Need experience and are enterd along side old hands. Any. One who blows akill. Without seeing it should not even be called a huntsman as for terriers. Again some will run earths some wont. They Are not robots. Entering. A young terrier With no experienc Around marking hounds. Has its own. Conseqenses. , hounds that false mark would not be doing it again. Its. All a matter of opinion as all ways. All iknow is foxhounds. Used to hunt. FOX. My ipad case is f****d lol

 

Agreed mate .Some of the finest huntsmen ive met have just rode by,paying attention as to whats marking or not , then called hounds off to let terrierman in .Dont agree on your terrier theasus but then when have we .I would never enter a young un with hounds .Its a quiet moment .

[Hot Meat 3,109]

That makes sense fd, the couple of dogs I've owned were natural markers of most things, I got them out as pups ratting and they had to mark before I'd dig so maybe that was reason who knows. Mate come here to stay for while recently tho and it become a pain having to take my old bitch out to mark or else we spent most time waiting for dogs to say if owt was home

Edited May 6, 2014 by Hot Meat

[gonetoearth 5,144]

 

 

For my part if the dogs bred right it will mark right.If a young dog says no ,unless we are on pest control,I never question it have never needed to.The dog is born with the desire to work and the only way it knows how is to go to the scent that draws it.Must be some shite out there if it needs to travel empty places for confidence or whatever.

A waffling terrier is worse than useless and is a cull in my book.

As to hounds marking they are made or broken by the actions of those around them at the time of a mark .The huntsmen off his horse praising hounds at every mark is the worse offender.Hounds will do anything to please him which includes marking badgers as a local pack found out.They came across one in cover and killed it ,even getting blown for a kill as no one bothered to check what it was.Terrier man got very annoyed to say the least.A single waffle tells me all I need to know about a youngster.Never encourage a terrier to a hole ,should never need to,should want in if he's there.Some will not understand any of this ,some will but will pass it off as bigheadedness,some will know exactly what I mean .

 

. Any huntsman. Praising at any. Mark Around young hounds. Aint ahuntsman. Unenterd hounds. Need experience and are enterd along side old hands. Any. One who blows akill. Without seeing it should not even be called a huntsman as for terriers. Again some will run earths some wont. They Are not robots. Entering. A young terrier With no experienc Around marking hounds. Has its own. Conseqenses. , hounds that false mark would not be doing it again. Its. All a matter of opinion as all ways. All iknow is foxhounds. Used to hunt. FOX. My ipad case is f****d lol

Agreed mate .Some of the finest huntsmen ive met have just rode by,paying attention as to whats marking or not , then called hounds off to let terrierman in .Dont agree on your terrier theasus but then when have we .I would never enter a young un with hounds .Its a quiet moment .

you have misunder stood it is most certainly a quiet moment.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Dont agree they aint robots they most definately are when bred right .The entering bit we agree on though .

[gonetoearth 5,144]

Dont agree they aint robots they most definately are when bred right .The entering bit we agree on though .

. So every terrier you have owened in the the last 30 years has worked in exactly thg same way. Every time withought exception

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Those that worked have yes mate .By now im a pretty good judge as to whats good and what aint so the shite never gets to annoy me .Weve done this before so wont be going over it again .If you personally aint happy with what your breeding then pm me and we"ll talk .

[gonetoearth 5,144]

Those that worked have yes mate .By now im a pretty good judge as to whats good and what aint so the shite never gets to annoy me .Weve done this before so wont be going over it again .If you personally aint happy with what your breeding then pm me and we"ll talk .

. Lol. Am more than happy and dont own robots. So you do have regects and cull them Edited May 6, 2014 by gonetoearth