Firearms License Question

[hunter bull X 23]

A mate of mine has applied for his license he's put in for .22,22.250 an ,243 an the only land submitted is one field at the side of his house that he owns what do u guys think.

[TheRealChuckNorris 42]

Depends on the size of the field, the backstop / safety aspect and what he's going to use them for. Difficult to make a proper judgement without seeing it but that's what his FEO is for and will make the right judgement I'm sure

[walshie 2,804]

I think however much land there is, he'd be hard pushed to justify a 22.250 AND a .243 on his first application.

[TheRealChuckNorris 42]

I think however much land there is, he'd be hard pushed to justify a 22.250 AND a .243 on his first application.

 

How so? If there's a fox and deer issue (for example) then they're two good calibres to request. A good reason is a good reason whether it's the first ticket or tenth renewal. A good FEO will be able to discuss this with him and assess the suitability, experience will come into play but I wouldn't rule it out at all.

Edited May 1, 2014 by TheRealChuckNorris

[RemyBolt 420]

I have a habit of contacting authority figures and asking them obscene amounts of questions.

 

The last one I spoke to said I'd need to complete a centrefire course if I wanted a .223 or more on my cert for my first application.

 

Odds are, the same will be for your friend.

 

Had a mate recommend putting land with no less than 22 acres. So if it's just a single field, I'd probably not be expecting much. Also, don't forget that if you want a silencer/moderator (here in the UK it should never be called a silencer on paperwork) you have to declare that on the application. If you are given permission for a .22lr with moderator, and you are caught using the gun without the moderator....you COULD get your license revoked and your .22lr confiscated. The same is true with the reverse. If you have a .22lr on your cert, and you're caught using a moderator on it, you can be in a whole world of trouble!

[TheRealChuckNorris 42]

If you are given permission for a .22lr with moderator, and you are caught using the gun without the moderator....you COULD get your license revoked and your .22lr confiscated. The same is true with the reverse. If you have a .22lr on your cert, and you're caught using a moderator on it, you can be in a whole world of trouble!

 

Not with you on that first point and not sure who told you that information. Yes, you need a separate slot on your ticket for the moderator but there's no requirement to use it all the time. You won't lose your ticket for shooting without it. You will be in a spot of bother if you are caught using a mod that isn't on your ticket.

 

If his friend has had some previous centre fire experience (cadets etc) then you can reasonably expect to have the grant without further training. They may suggest a mentor or even DSC for the .243 if it's primarily for deer stalking but they're not mandatory.

[Cedric 132]

I don't think you are correct there Remy, there is no wording whatsoever on my certificate stating that the weapons must be used with/without a moderator. Using or possessing a moderator if you don't have one on your ticket is a different matter.

 

As for the chances of the guy being granted all those guns on a first application and with limited land would seem to be slim to negligable!

[walshie 2,804]

 

I think however much land there is, he'd be hard pushed to justify a 22.250 AND a .243 on his first application.

 

How so? If there's a fox and deer issue (for example) then they're two good calibres to request. A good reason is a good reason whether it's the first ticket or tenth renewal. A good FEO will be able to discuss this with him and assess the suitability, experience will come into play but I wouldn't rule it out at all.

 

 

Because he'd say if you want to shoot deer get a .243 and you can use it for fox too. If you want to shoot fox only, get one or the other.

[TheRealChuckNorris 42]

 

 

I think however much land there is, he'd be hard pushed to justify a 22.250 AND a .243 on his first application.

 

How so? If there's a fox and deer issue (for example) then they're two good calibres to request. A good reason is a good reason whether it's the first ticket or tenth renewal. A good FEO will be able to discuss this with him and assess the suitability, experience will come into play but I wouldn't rule it out at all.

 

 

Because he'd say if you want to shoot deer get a .243 and you can use it for fox too. If you want to shoot fox only, get one or the other.

 

 

Quite often you'd get the condition (for .243) that you can shoot fox whilst in the pursuit of deer which rules out using it between one hour after sunset and one hour before sunrise. A .223 for fox and other medium game is perfectly acceptable to also have on a first ticket and can even be set up as a dedicated rifle with night vision (if that floats your boat).

 

I get where you're coming from but I have first hand experience of a licensing authority granting both (.223 and .243) on a first application so it's not as black and white as you make out.

[Deker 3,478]

 

 

 

I think however much land there is, he'd be hard pushed to justify a 22.250 AND a .243 on his first application.

How so? If there's a fox and deer issue (for example) then they're two good calibres to request. A good reason is a good reason whether it's the first ticket or tenth renewal. A good FEO will be able to discuss this with him and assess the suitability, experience will come into play but I wouldn't rule it out at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Because he'd say if you want to shoot deer get a .243 and you can use it for fox too. If you want to shoot fox only, get one or the other.

 

Quite often you'd get the condition (for .243) that you can shoot fox whilst in the pursuit of deer which rules out using it between one hour after sunset and one hour before sunrise. A .223 for fox and other medium game is perfectly acceptable to also have on a first ticket and can even be set up as a dedicated rifle with night vision (if that floats your boat).

 

I get where you're coming from but I have first hand experience of a licensing authority granting both (.223 and .243) on a first application so it's not as black and white as you make out.

 

In principle TheRealChuckNorris I would agree with you, but every situation/region/FEO/applicant is different, and a .223 and .243 is not a 22-250 and 243, which are arguably quite similar on some levels but separated by a legal definition.

 

On a first grant I would have to err more on walshies view!

 

ATB!

Edited May 1, 2014 by Deker

[RemyBolt 420]

I don't think you are correct there Remy, there is no wording whatsoever on my certificate stating that the weapons must be used with/without a moderator. Using or possessing a moderator if you don't have one on your ticket is a different matter.

 

As for the chances of the guy being granted all those guns on a first application and with limited land would seem to be slim to negligable!

I might be getting them mixed up.

 

Time for another authority figure to be bombarded with email questions haha

[TheRealChuckNorris 42]

In principle TheRealChuckNorris I would agree with you, but every situation/region/FEO/applicant is different, and a .223 and .243 is not a 22-250 and 243, which are arguably quite similar on some levels but separated by a legal definition.

 

On a first grant I would have to err more on walshies view!

 

ATB!

 

Evening sir. Just looking at the volume of threads that come up like this across the various forums shows that the licencing differs so much from area to area so you just can't second guess what's going to happen, especially as each case is different and needs to be reviewed on its own merits.

 

Maybe I'm just a crazy dreamer but my view is the only way this chap will definitely not get those calibres is not to ask for them and have that discussion. I was just trying to highlight that it wouldn't be a definite no as inferred earlier - no such thing as a sure fire bet in the licencing world!

 

Have a good evening.

[Alsone 789]

 

 

I think however much land there is, he'd be hard pushed to justify a 22.250 AND a .243 on his first application.

 

How so? If there's a fox and deer issue (for example) then they're two good calibres to request. A good reason is a good reason whether it's the first ticket or tenth renewal. A good FEO will be able to discuss this with him and assess the suitability, experience will come into play but I wouldn't rule it out at all.

 

 

Because he'd say if you want to shoot deer get a .243 and you can use it for fox too. If you want to shoot fox only, get one or the other.

 

 

+1.

 

.243 is an excellent fox round so its very hard to justify .223 and .243 without some other valid reason eg you have a 2nd piece of land cleared for .223 but not .243.

[hunter bull X 23]

Thanks for the replies guys pretty much as I expected I will be very surprised if he gets all 3 granted actually seeing the land I think .22 an 17hmr would be more realistic if he gets the 243 I might apply I have a pretty big garden.