Giro 2,648 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Darcy.. How do you think this exemption of the hunting act would stand up ???? Observation and study of a wild mammal, using not more than two dogs and no dog below ground. what's your interpretation of that ?? To me you could course a few as long as you took a few pictures and recorded the data ?? Good pictures fella... Often find hares in exact same spots... Quote Link to post
slip lead 862 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 What you on about mid shag what I said was when hare's have paired up its mostly the buck that will rise FIRST taking the course away from the doe. Thats in my exspiriance not reading out of books or spending hours on here but years in the fields with dogs capable of catching there quarry. No way match dogs but I've never bin into numbers, and on more than 1 occasion I've been cheering the hare on after 3 Quote Link to post
slip lead 862 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 F## king phone After a good course..... Quote Link to post
TOMO 26,205 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Yes I understood what you were saying,,,,,it just reminded me of putting hares up,,,,whilst they were in middle of shagging,,,,on one occasion last year,,,I was real close,,,just a few metres away,,,, Quote Link to post
jukel123 8,085 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I once counted 17 circling, bucking boxing hares in one field about 40 plus years ago. I reckon if a lurcher had been put in amongst them they wouldn't have noticed until a couple or so had been killed. That was on a sporting estate where the hares weren't shot only coursed. The powers that be should realise that coursing equals loads of hares which means healthy hare populations. Years ago you used to get packs of crazed dogs following a bitch in heat---- it was a bit like that. 1 Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted April 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 What you on about mid shag what I said was when hare's have paired up its mostly the buck that will rise FIRST taking the course away from the doe. Thats in my exspiriance not reading out of books or spending hours on here but years in the fields with dogs capable of catching there quarry. No way match dogs but I've never bin into numbers, and on more than 1 occasion I've been cheering the hare on after I don't think hares think like that....they don't think: "Oh no, here's a predator, I will 'lead' it away from the female'.....they do not have that level of understanding and thinking. And how do you know it's always bucks that rise first...? And again, that's in my experience..... 1 Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted April 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I once counted 17 circling, bucking boxing hares in one field about 40 plus years ago. I reckon if a lurcher had been put in amongst them they wouldn't have noticed until a couple or so had been killed. That was on a sporting estate where the hares weren't shot only coursed. The powers that be should realise that coursing equals loads of hares which means healthy hare populations. Years ago you used to get packs of crazed dogs following a bitch in heat---- it was a bit like that. I've got quite a few photos of that actually, and photos of bucks with their knobs out, as well as other graphic shots...... most i've seen in a straight line was 9 I think.....I was once sat in a grass field and seven hares came past me in a V formation, the female leading, the rest being bucks. it was superb, absolutely amazing experience and I photographed the whole thing, often they passed within 5 yards. I managed to belly crawl across the field back toward where they'd settled in a bit of a gang and spent a long time watching them there and I can safely say that it isn't just does that box off bucks, but alpha buck will box off the lower ranking ones also.... 2 Quote Link to post
nothernlite 18,089 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 What you on about mid shag what I said was when hare's have paired up its mostly the buck that will rise FIRST taking the course away from the doe. Thats in my exspiriance not reading out of books or spending hours on here but years in the fields with dogs capable of catching there quarry. No way match dogs but I've never bin into numbers, and on more than 1 occasion I've been cheering the hare on after I don't think hares think like that....they don't think: "Oh no, here's a predator, I will 'lead' it away from the female'.....they do not have that level of understanding and thinking. And how do you know it's always bucks that rise first...? And again, that's in my experience..... same as them not using the same seat as your title says you learn something new every day maybe this is your day to learn 2 new things lol 1 Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted April 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 What you on about mid shag what I said was when hare's have paired up its mostly the buck that will rise FIRST taking the course away from the doe. Thats in my exspiriance not reading out of books or spending hours on here but years in the fields with dogs capable of catching there quarry. No way match dogs but I've never bin into numbers, and on more than 1 occasion I've been cheering the hare on after I don't think hares think like that....they don't think: "Oh no, here's a predator, I will 'lead' it away from the female'.....they do not have that level of understanding and thinking. And how do you know it's always bucks that rise first...? And again, that's in my experience..... same as them not using the same seat as your title says you learn something new every day maybe this is your day to learn 2 new things lol So you think that hares get emotional about their mate? And tell her to stay there and I will lead a predator away? Quote Link to post
nothernlite 18,089 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 What you on about mid shag what I said was when hare's have paired up its mostly the buck that will rise FIRST taking the course away from the doe. Thats in my exspiriance not reading out of books or spending hours on here but years in the fields with dogs capable of catching there quarry. No way match dogs but I've never bin into numbers, and on more than 1 occasion I've been cheering the hare on after I don't think hares think like that....they don't think: "Oh no, here's a predator, I will 'lead' it away from the female'.....they do not have that level of understanding and thinking. And how do you know it's always bucks that rise first...? And again, that's in my experience..... same as them not using the same seat as your title says you learn something new every day maybe this is your day to learn 2 new things lol So you think that hares get emotional about their mate? And tell her to stay there and I will lead a predator away? nature a strange thing you never know dont know about emotional never had them crying maybe just trying to protect them who knows Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted April 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 What you on about mid shag what I said was when hare's have paired up its mostly the buck that will rise FIRST taking the course away from the doe. Thats in my exspiriance not reading out of books or spending hours on here but years in the fields with dogs capable of catching there quarry. No way match dogs but I've never bin into numbers, and on more than 1 occasion I've been cheering the hare on after I don't think hares think like that....they don't think: "Oh no, here's a predator, I will 'lead' it away from the female'.....they do not have that level of understanding and thinking. And how do you know it's always bucks that rise first...? And again, that's in my experience..... same as them not using the same seat as your title says you learn something new every day maybe this is your day to learn 2 new things lol So you think that hares get emotional about their mate? And tell her to stay there and I will lead a predator away? nature a strange thing you never know dont know about emotional never had them crying maybe just trying to protect them who knows So, what you're saying is that a buck thinks it will protect the doe by leading the predator away? Do you think hares have that level of intellect? AND, more importantly, how do you sex the hare that is jumping first? 1 Quote Link to post
Tiercel 6,986 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 My understanding of hare family life is the buck does the deed, end of. After that he plays no part in the upbringing of the leverets. TC 1 Quote Link to post
jukel123 8,085 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) This is totally off topic, but did anyone see the programme on BBC about the honey badger? They are capable of selecting, carrying and then propping a branch against the wall of a pen in order to escape. Take the branches away and they will pile up stones. Take away the stones and they will use sods of grass. I don't think chimps would be capable of thinking in such a sophisticated way. If they attack they will go for your balls and hang on-humans, rhinos lions. Amazing creatures. Yes you learn summat new every day. Who knows what goes through a hare's consciousness? They've always been seen as being a supernatural creature. I'll keep an open mind about what goes through their heads. One thing that always pees me off is their distress call. It's too much like a human baby. Edited April 28, 2014 by jukel123 1 Quote Link to post
nothernlite 18,089 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 just waiting on david attenborough getting back to me and i will let you know some as he does can you tell me its not possible? Quote Link to post
nothernlite 18,089 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 tell me if you see a hare rising taking its time as if it flaunting its tail trying to atract your attention them you notice another getting up or see another lying tight whats that all about ? Quote Link to post
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