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[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

In my experience actual copulation will only take place when the doe has accepted a buck .The mass congregations are rare imo with does not too fussy when approached by an ardant male .Ive seen many copulations and one thing they all had in commen was sweat loads of it .The doe stops, he mounts and goes like the clappers repeated every ten yards or so. The r thing that determines a hares seat is the weather when left alone with woods preferred in winter and rough grass in summer around us anyway.

Watched a hare suckle last year after which she washed the kit before washing herself thoroughly . Hares will come to a squeak all year round aswell as rabbits .Just inquizitifness[ lol ] i think nothing else .Once saw a hare drive off a stoat by jumping over it and kicking out

[slip lead 862]

I've kept detailed records of every dog I've ever owned from the day that they arrive they are measured.

Hight, chest, and spine from the sholders to start of tail until 2 years old and weighed every week till the day they die and every dog has all details of what they cought and we're and also the dates.

So don't try and patronise me in future I will keep my thoughts to myself

 

You WANKER.....

[nothernlite 18,076]

 

 

 

 

 

Because most of the time when it happend the dog returned with a hare with bollocks.

 

Almost every hare I've ever caught going back 30 years has been documented what dog cough it , and weight and time of year the hare was caught so I'm not plucking it out of the sky mate

And on how many occasions have you slipped on a flaunting hare and it's been a buck?

 

This data is both unique and fascinating.......

 

so your saying its not true

 

Yes, thats what I'm saying....

 

heres the thing......aside from caring for their young until they can fend for themselves, almost all mammals are selfish, they care about whats good for themselves. This is especially more relevent in solitary animals, such as the hare. A male hare only ever cares about a female when she is in heat, thats it. And then all he wants to do is shag her, not 'lead a dog away from her so she can be in peace'....

 

I say prove it.....how do you know that the hare that springs and leads the dog away is a buck?

 

by catching the thing or getting what left behind the doe

 

.....have a think about what you're saying.......

 

so you are telling me that in the instances where there's been two hares sat together, the one thats jumped first and has been caught has been the buck, and in the instances where the one that's sat tight has been run has been the doe?

 

and on how many occasions has this happened?

 

when breeding yes cant remember the amount of times but over the years that ive chased hares preban of course are you saying you have never came across this in all the years you have been into coursing ?

[Tiercel 6,986]

Possible scenario?

 

A doe is coming to the end of rearing her kits she is still suckling but about to end, possibly coming in to oestrous again. That would attract bucks to her vicinity. While she is beginning her heat she is not yet receptive to the bucks, but that does not stop them sniffing a chance of mating so they hang around her.

 

Someone enters the ground they are on, as she is still suckling she is not really wanting to jump, and trying to sit it out until danger has passed. On the other hand as she is not receptive to the buck, does he jump at the first sign of danger?

 

Thoughts please.

 

TC

[J Darcy 5,871]

I've kept detailed records of every dog I've ever owned from the day that they arrive they are measured.

Hight, chest, and spine from the sholders to start of tail until 2 years old and weighed every week till the day they die and every dog has all details of what they cought and we're and also the dates.

So don't try and patronise me in future I will keep my thoughts to myself

 

You WANKER.....

and details of two hares sat together? and which one jumped first and what sex it was?

 

 

 

no need to be offensive, you made a big statement and I don't agree with it.....why are you getting shirty. I would love to see your data...especially that on the pairs of hares....

[J Darcy 5,871]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Because most of the time when it happend the dog returned with a hare with bollocks.

 

Almost every hare I've ever caught going back 30 years has been documented what dog cough it , and weight and time of year the hare was caught so I'm not plucking it out of the sky mate

And on how many occasions have you slipped on a flaunting hare and it's been a buck?

 

This data is both unique and fascinating.......

 

so your saying its not true

 

Yes, thats what I'm saying....

 

heres the thing......aside from caring for their young until they can fend for themselves, almost all mammals are selfish, they care about whats good for themselves. This is especially more relevent in solitary animals, such as the hare. A male hare only ever cares about a female when she is in heat, thats it. And then all he wants to do is shag her, not 'lead a dog away from her so she can be in peace'....

 

I say prove it.....how do you know that the hare that springs and leads the dog away is a buck?

 

by catching the thing or getting what left behind the doe

 

.....have a think about what you're saying.......

 

so you are telling me that in the instances where there's been two hares sat together, the one thats jumped first and has been caught has been the buck, and in the instances where the one that's sat tight has been run has been the doe?

 

and on how many occasions has this happened?

 

when breeding yes cant remember the amount of times but over the years that ive chased hares preban of course are you saying you have never came across this in all the years you have been into coursing ?

 

Not one sex over the other, in numbers anyway.

 

I would like you to answer that question.........

[J Darcy 5,871]

What about when they both jump together.......i wonder is its a suicide pact? They can't face life without each other maybe????

[border lad 1,047]

my experience, the Hares use the same seats, for genarations, of time, and again, 9 times out of 10, the Buck Hare Rises first, when there clapped close to each other, stretches the ole back leg, lays the Ears flat on his back, ((( and says catch me if you can! now to put the cat amongst the pidgeons, the so called experts of the coursing world, say the Fen Hare is the strongest, (((( my opinion, when coursing was legal, the Hare, around the area, were the Scottish national coursing club held its meetings, supported a very good Hare, the average field, is only about 20to 30 acres in size, short grass, excellent running for the Hare, and the dog,

give him fair-law, and you had to have a decent annimal to catch, but when the Lampers arived, 2 dogs, and there was slaughter, I have the greatest respect for that wee brown fella, he was a match, for most dogs, and a so called top dog was straight lined, not able to put a bend into the hare, once they hit the fence or the hedge, very few dogs caught, Again those Hares, were kept strong, by exchanging, Hares from Altcar, Earl seftons, ground, and vice aversa, now those Hares have almost disappeared, shot, lamped, modern day farming machinery, crop sprays, birds of prey, killing the leverets, have all done there toll,

[J Darcy 5,871]

my experience, the Hares use the same seats, for genarations, of time, and again, 9 times out of 10, the Buck Hare Rises first, when there clapped close to each other, stretches the ole back leg, lays the Ears flat on his back, ((( and says catch me if you can! now to put the cat amongst the pidgeons, the so called experts of the coursing world, say the Fen Hare is the strongest, (((( my opinion, when coursing was legal, the Hare, around the area, were the Scottish national coursing club held its meetings, supported a very good Hare, the average field, is only about 20to 30 acres in size, short grass, excellent running for the Hare, and the dog,

give him fair-law, and you had to have a decent annimal to catch, but when the Lampers arived, 2 dogs, and there was slaughter, I have the greatest respect for that wee brown fella, he was a match, for most dogs, and a so called top dog was straight lined, not able to put a bend into the hare, once they hit the fence or the hedge, very few dogs caught, Again those Hares, were kept strong, by exchanging, Hares from Altcar, Earl seftons, ground, and vice aversa, now those Hares have almost disappeared, shot, lamped, modern day farming machinery, crop sprays, birds of prey, killing the leverets, have all done there toll,

and why do you think, in nine times out of ten, that the buck hares rises first?....

[nothernlite 18,076]

What about when they both jump together.......i wonder is its a suicide pact? They can't face life without each other maybe????what a part

ffs that says it all

[J Darcy 5,871]

 

What about when they both jump together.......i wonder is its a suicide pact? They can't face life without each other maybe????what a part

ffs that says it all

 

I'm still waiting for you to answer the question? but obviously you don't want to, so thats fair enough. You believe that the buck 'cares' about the doe's welfare, thats fair enough.It's actually interesting to read various opinions, and it's all good research.....

[nothernlite 18,076]

 

 

What about when they both jump together.......i wonder is its a suicide pact? They can't face life without each other maybe????what a part

ffs that says it all

 

I'm still waiting for you to answer the question? but obviously you don't want to, so thats fair enough. You believe that the buck 'cares' about the doe's welfare, thats fair enough.It's actually interesting to read various opinions, and it's all good research.....

 

i didnt say it cares im just saying what ive noticed

[J Darcy 5,871]

 

 

 

What about when they both jump together.......i wonder is its a suicide pact? They can't face life without each other maybe????what a part

ffs that says it all

 

I'm still waiting for you to answer the question? but obviously you don't want to, so thats fair enough. You believe that the buck 'cares' about the doe's welfare, thats fair enough.It's actually interesting to read various opinions, and it's all good research.....

 

i didnt say it cares im just saying what ive noticed

 

well then why does it do it?

 

It surely cannot be co-incidence?

 

you say that the buck hare takes the dog away from the doe, so why would it do this if it didn't care about her welfare?

[slip lead 862]

If you look at my first post you will see I wrote

 

When hare's start to pair up beginning of season the buck will stay with the doe until his shagged her and as soon as he has he will f**k off and stay with another doe until she let's him tred her as well.

[nothernlite 18,076]

maybe just wanting another ride at it