What Qualities Make Up A Good Stud Dog?

[uru 341]

Everyone is different in what they look for and desire in a working dog.I know in general,a consistent dog,with a good nose,grit,intelligent and the desire/tenacity to stay til dug to,or to the end etc.

The dog should be a good healthy specimen,out of working dogs.

 

But from there it varies.Big dog small dog.As others have quoted Cyril Breay,"never breed to a dog that can't kill a fox".

But others consider the fox,an inferior test of a good terrier.

Many here,far more than the U.K.,desire extremely small dogs.But if the dog is so small,he comfortably fits down every hole,there's a very good chance he will be far too small against bigger quarry.

 

I know the quarry you hunt has a big effect on what you desire and need in a stud.

But some people could care less how impressive and formidable your dog is,because the name of the game is"earthdogs",hence going to ground.

 

Some dogs excel in the ground but are so so above.

Some people think that is not a good dog,because a good dog will work anything,anywhere.

 

I'm just trying to keep the board going with out arguing,just wanting to know what others think.And maybe this has been covered,if it has and you don't want to reply,you don't have to,uru

[J Darcy 5,871]

Find. Stay. Working ability.

[Hot Meat 3,109]

The ability to throw good pups, anybody got one, let me know lol

[atilla the hunter 60]

I read Mr brey said never breed from a a dog what con not kill a fox in a tussle,, what dose tussle mean?

[wilbur foxhound 480]

as hot meat says one which will throw good pups ,what I do is if I used my dog on a good working bitch and the pups didn't work then I wouldn't repeat the mating,no matter how good the parents were,it may be the wrong thing to do but that's just me,wf

[marshman 7,757]

Consistency ! Throwing consistent numbers of workers in a litter . From a family of consistent worker ie sire dam gran sire uncle aunts cousins you name it are workers . Jmho

[THE GENERAL 1,982]

Consistency ! Throwing consistent numbers of workers in a litter . From a family of consistent worker ie sire dam gran sire uncle aunts cousins you name it are workers . Jmho

Hypothetically speaking, that should work. If only it was that easy.

[marshman 7,757]

 

Consistency ! Throwing consistent numbers of workers in a litter . From a family of consistent worker ie sire dam gran sire uncle aunts cousins you name it are workers . Jmho

Hypothetically speaking, that should work. If only it was that easy.

We are talking about what you look for in a good "stud" dog not what it takes to breed a good litter ! In breeding a good litter you're right it ain't that easy but if your looking for a good stud dog then consistency is a good start hypothetically speaking lol?.

[bull mcabe 595]

Dave Harcombe hit the nail on the head when he said a stud dog should look like a dog no second glances. In my opinion you see far too many fine boned bitchy lookin dogs in the terrier game today and there is no way i would consider using such an animal on my bitches that iv worked tirelessly to produce. Of course asthetitics doesnt matter its the ability to find game work and stay till dug to what counts but using such weedy specimens no matter how good they were would be detrimental to your strain. The dogs that ive used over the years that ive found to have been the best sires for my strain and to produce pups for the work i do have been all o n the strong side of things generally hard tough well tested dogs, some may have been slightly too big for some people and some might have been to tall for some people. But the bottom line was that they were no nonsense no messing dogs that got the job done. Just one of my opinions other lads working different types of earths might disagree totally with me thats what makes the terrier game what it is. In my yard right now i have a dog bred out of some great workers and he only started working himself this past winter and the dog didnt put a foot wrong he was the only dog on the litter and i had big plans for him all going well. But at the back of my mind for some reason if he keeps on digging for me i have a doubt about using him on my bitches as hes a very bitchy dog and never carries or conducts himself confidently. Iknow this could all change or he might quit the game who knows but i just have a doubt about using a dog like that. JMO lads.

[Cleanspade 3,322]

small compact with good bone. with a history of work and a few years under its belt.

liked the look of this russell has everything i like. in a terrier

 

 

if this terrier works like he looks. then i would consider useing it

 

 

also like this terrier still small but different build altogether with working background and a couple of seasons under its belt. then it would be a nice choice.

 

pics arnt my terriers but help to show what style of terrier i prefare.

 

 

edited to add could be a good thread this. and if i was to pick one point it has to be. size. due to the fact if it cant get it cant use any of its other qualities below ground and ceases to be a terrier in the true sense of the word

Edited April 27, 2014 by Cleanspade

[Guest alcapone]

First of all how us the stud dog bred? Does he suit the bitch you intend to breed from? Are they same line,how close are they? Are you looking an outcross? Personally I'd never breed from an outcrosses dog unless your putting it back into tight bred blood on one side or the other,this worker to worker carry on is wreckless and for the uneducated. Too many folk believe what they read in books and magazines these day too,favouring a dog for type and colour not for the desirable traits and genes your looking for. If your looking an outcross what does the stud dog have to offer your line,is your line lacking something and does the stud dogs line have a reputation for throwing these traits? Some lines of dogs have a reputation of throwing dogs that can produce producers,I'm going to use Floyd Boudreaux as an example,look a lot of the top pit dogs of all time and go back in their pedigree and you will find boudreaux,though I don't feel this man gets the credit for producing as many foundation dogs as he should! A little off topic I know but it applys to anything you breed in my opinion.

[pablo esc 1,598]

Bang on views, and one hopefully you could see work, bred, but if you had a bitch as good and well proven. It's as. you say there different places, for size, and quarry. Chaps could keep stud to a minum,(not the money game), help people out

[Guest alcapone]

Bull Mcabe if nobody used bitchy looking dogs nobody would have uaed ken goulds sparticas,put back to his own family he threw bigger more powerfull animals than himself. As for listening to harcomb.....he went out to john park dog to outcross FAR sooner than he ever needed to,i wouldnt hold his views in high regard myself,30 odd yrs in the game and the man still hasnt his "own" line of dogs......there are dogmen and dog keepers. In my opinion folk should test the metal of their bitches regular not just now and then as harcombe states,your bitch is your main stay of any line.r

Edited April 27, 2014 by alcapone

[keepdiggin 9,559]

a big cock

[morton 5,368]

The best grafters do not always make the best stud,s, to become a stud dog the dog must have first proven itself at work,then secondly proved itself to be better than its compatriots at work,then tested as a stud to see if it is able to pass on its desirable traits.The best of studs put to lesser dams ruin the whole exercise.