BIG G wheton machine 1,594 Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 I can just picture the scenario, Russia, let's bomb gb, press the go button and let the bombs fly,. Gb head quarters, what should we do? The Russians bombs are heading this way and will be here any time soon. Then steps in gb health n safety human rights for badgers mentality. Ammmm. Let's just offer them benefits and welcome them and give them 500 million a week. Nooooo. That's not enough, we need to bring them here and give them free health care and pay for housing. Another officer then says what about out own people? And is loudly told fcuk our own people lets not even tell them what's happening, as it's already standard practice, 5 hrs later the bombs have flattened most or here and they still want to find a way to protect all the badgers and foxes in case they offend gay Muslim black scrounging illegal immigrants. Instead of just hitting back straight away. And never worrying what people think Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,837 Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 Turn the taps off on who's energy supplies? We aren't dependant on Russia for energy, it's one of the sensible things Blair did. The Europeans jumped into bed with them, not the UK. We are depenent on European and Russian gas both direct and by proxy, if Russia turn the taps off on Europe we'd be fecked in no time, thats not looking at how we are even more dependent on Russian coal. That's not quite the same as being dependant on Russian Gas though is it. It's not like Russia can just switch off our gas without utterly f***ing themselves by switching off the whole of Europes. You said yourself that economically the EU has power to make Russia bend........... so to punish the UK you suggest the Russians are going to piss off the whole of the EU? As for coal, I'm sure we can buy it elsewhere. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 Well I'm in asda hope the Russians hang off from annexing the butter section before I get my lurpak 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 No they wouldn't want to upset the whole of Europe but we are not the whole of Europe lol we pay for what we use at the price negotiated and we may not be a part of the EU in the future . We could buy coal elsewhere but at a higher price. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 I can just picture the scenario, Russia, let's bomb gb, press the go button and let the bombs fly,. Gb head quarters, what should we do? The Russians bombs are heading this way and will be here any time soon. Then steps in gb health n safety human rights for badgers mentality. Ammmm. Let's just offer them benefits and welcome them and give them 500 million a week. Nooooo. That's not enough, we need to bring them here and give them free health care and pay for housing. Another officer then says what about out own people? And is loudly told fcuk our own people lets not even tell them what's happening, as it's already standard practice, 5 hrs later the bombs have flattened most or here and they still want to find a way to protect all the badgers and foxes in case they offend gay Muslim black scrounging illegal immigrants. Instead of just hitting back straight away. And never worrying what people think From recent events I'd say the 1st to take up arms in defence of their families will be those who have left their families in Britain and are fighting and dying against a Russian backed tyrant already. They've already said that they would do exactly the same if Britain were ever threatened. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,837 Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 No they wouldn't want to upset the whole of Europe but we are not the whole of Europe lol we pay for what we use at the price negotiated and we may not be a part of the EU in the future . We could buy coal elsewhere but at a higher price. But that's what gives us energy security, the Russians would have to stop supplying Europe to stop Norway etc supplying us by creating higher demand for gas in Europe. They can't just turn off the taps to the UK without severely damaging their own exports to a much wider market of the whole of Europe. Suddenly everybody starts questioning their own energy security and Russia have just set their economic recovery back another couple decades untill folks start trusting them again. This'll all be a mute point if the Govt. grow a pair and get fracking moving forward. They should also be investing in British Nuclear power, but well that's another story. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Themoocher 231 Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 I compare NATO to communism ( wait for it born) lol As in they both work on paper " only" You like to remind us if all this uber technical hardware we have. And this force that is NATO. We can't even purge( well wrong word subdue lol) A backward nation like Afghanistan. Reason being you will never get all those nations on side,see the backsliding from some countries over Iraq and Afghanistan. Imagine the turncoats if the Russians were bearing down on those borders. Aye if history has taught us anything no matter the numbers or the hardware, it means jack shit if that country defies you. Scot, NATO worked when it was needed. I haven't said the UK could beat Russia, that's a bit ridiculous. I said we would utterly f**k Argentina, which we would and that what we have right now is very capable of dealing with intrusive Russian destroyers and bombers, which they are. That's all mate. If the Argies grow a pair of balls any time soon. If they done what they did in the 80s the Falklands would be there's. We wouldn't be able to take it back. How would it? What they did in the 80's they could not do now, give the MOD some credit ffs. What we had on the Islands in the 80's was 1000 lightly armed marines, a few landys and an Antarctic ship armed with a handfull of GPMGs...... what we have now is a tad more capable. No carriers = no platform to work from. If the Argies took the falkland now we wouldn't be able to take it back Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) I'd agree with that, we need to get the scale gas sorted in the interim while building multiple nuclear stations which can be leased to private companies, which would do the power of good to our balence of trade figures! Edit shale gas lol. Edited April 25, 2014 by sandymere 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,837 Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 No carriers = no platform to work from.If the Argies took the falkland now we wouldn't be able to take it back But that has always been my point, they can't. The technological gap between our militaries is greater now than it ever has been. And we have a lot of that technology, in the air, on the ground, on the sea and under it at the Islands right now! I'm not convinced we couldn't take them back either but I can't be arsed to argue that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Themoocher 231 Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 No they wouldn't want to upset the whole of Europe but we are not the whole of Europe lol we pay for what we use at the price negotiated and we may not be a part of the EU in the future . We could buy coal elsewhere but at a higher price. But that's what gives us energy security, the Russians would have to stop supplying Europe to stop Norway etc supplying us by creating higher demand for gas in Europe. They can't just turn off the taps to the UK without severely damaging their own exports to a much wider market of the whole of Europe. Suddenly everybody starts questioning their own energy security and Russia have just set their economic recovery back another couple decades untill folks start trusting them again. This'll all be a mute point if the Govt. grow a pair and get fracking moving forward. They should also be investing in British Nuclear power, but well that's another story. Even if they start fracking it will be the same as the North Sea, oil prices through the roof and billions made wasted on shite. All these assets should have been government controlled, instead of been held by the balls with BP and energy companies. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,837 Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 f***ing hell themoocher, you're making me want to hang myself with a Union flag! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Themoocher 231 Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 It's true. We have gone back about 20 years in military power in the past few years. In reality we couldn't do Fook all unless backed by NATO or allies. We must be one of very few countries that don't control our own assets. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wullz 408 Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 Moocher's right, we would need carriers! Hopefully with more than 1 engine this time.... Lat time they tried it on was after we got rid of the carriers capable of flying strike aircraft, F4's etc They didnt rate the harrier and thought we couldnt take it without strike aircraft....bad mistake.....but we were lucky.....and we had a bunch of bampots in the army then who loved nothing better than a good rumble.....paras, sas, scots, welsh etc etc Now? I dunno, big mistake in taking away the identity of the regiments. Dont get me wrong, the laddies who are in these days are doing a brilliant job and I reckon they are some of the best in the world.....BUT they are fighting with their hands tied round their bollocks, like the yanks in nam..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,837 Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 I'm no fecking Admiral but tell me this, what did Hermes and Invicible give us that we can't provide through alternative means now? Constant air patrols to intercept enemy aircraft and maintain air defence of the fleet...... bombing runs to weaken the argies defences on the islands prior to D-Day...... recon of the islands....... ground attack capabilites to support the 3Cdo and 5th Infantry. Bear in mind what we had back then and why that was so critical strategicaly. The first ever precision guided bombs were dropped in anger then but the vast majority were not. We had no cruise missiles. No Apaches for ground support. Nothing that can compare to a Type 45 destroyer for fleet air defence. No Reaper drones for recon or bombing. The Black Buck raids are still perfectly possible using Tornadoes carrying guided bombs flown from Ascension. Don't just write us off! The most important thing we lack is a strong leader. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 I agree born three some outstanding weaponry these days mate. Some if it, your in complete awe at its fire power. However its all very well having it. If you can't use it. Or the terrain or the locality makes it dodgy to use. f**k sake with the combined power of the coalition force We still can't put down a few rag heads with donkeys and an RPG strapped to their back. Back when the Russians were in Afghanistan. And unlike us now there hands weren't tied. They struggled to put them down. Granted the west were helping. ( f**k sake just realised how bad that makes us look lol) cause no c**t is giving them anti aircraft missles by the plane load these days. No one is writing us off mate. I have immense pride in my nation as you all know, but I've realised for a long time now. We should be taking a back seat these days in foreign affairs. Our own country is a mess that should be fore front in any governments mind before trapsing half way round the world getting bogged down in others problems. Gone are the days of " spoils of war" now it costs us vast amounts of money getting involved, money we can ill afford! Unless of course your ab American company. Oh then you will get contracts and basically a licence to steal assets. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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