Breeding Collie X Greyhounds

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

a suppose a fine balance of both parents his what we all desire ,but this his not often the case, breeding lurcher ta lurcher of given type will give betta results ,my take on it learned through experience . seen like pure hounds run like sheep dogs etc and seen em tother way round very rarely we get balance we all looking for .atb bunnys.

 

Yes I would agree...

 

The original thread starter, has asked the question,.but personally, I would not use a Greyhound over a Sheepdog....

I much prefer to utilise a fast type of lurcher, as opposed to a pure race track dog...

 

Mind you,..when line breeding Collie crosses,..there is often a throw back.

She waits quietly in the wings,..so ya best be ready

Amazingly enough, if you are only a hedgerow hunter and don't require a lurcher to do 'other tasks',..these blasts from the past ,often work out incredibly well, and are they talked about,.. for years to come...

Edited July 31, 2014 by Phil Lloyd

[Themoocher 231]

When breeding lurchers it's always a hit or miss with lurchers always.

First xs Lurcher to Lurcher you never know how the pups are going to throw.

Only time your pretty much guaranteed you get what your after is putting a Lurcher to a grey.

If your wanting a racer dog 3/4 type.

 

Or unless you have been breeding a type for many generations then you can gauge roughly what litter going turn out like.

 

But when 1xs and half to Halfs and 3/4 to Halfs it's a hit or a miss.

[whippet 99 2,613]

its right about the genes being 50/50 inn first cross but some genes are dominant genes which is highly likely too throw too the dominant gene ....

[trenchfoot 4,243]

 

a suppose a fine balance of both parents his what we all desire ,but this his not often the case, breeding lurcher ta lurcher of given type will give betta results ,my take on it learned through experience . seen like pure hounds run like sheep dogs etc and seen em tother way round very rarely we get balance we all looking for .atb bunnys.

 

Yes I would agree...

 

The original thread starter, has asked the question,.but personally, I would not use a Greyhound over a Sheepdog....

I much prefer to utilise a fast type of lurcher, as opposed to a pure race track dog...

 

Mind you,..when line breeding Collie crosses,..there is often a throw back.

She waits quietly in the wings,..so ya best be ready

Amazingly enough, if you are only a hedgerow hunter and don't require a lurcher to do 'other tasks',..these blasts from the past ,often work out incredibly well, and are they talked about,.. for years to come...

 

 

not wrong there Phil!

 

[morton 5,368]

Im a firm believer that an honest Collie cur bred lurcher is the foundation stock for better things,ive spent many an hour watching farm dogs earning their keep,they are on a level that no other mutt can ever hope to emulate.Ive been watching a local Collie for a few years now,24",works sheep with care and beasts with determination,this is the dog that id cover a coursing bred Greyound bitch with,if I had the time to await the second generation,that would better fulfil the potential of the breeding.There are collie curs and collie curs,go to a puppy farmer that will cover anything on heat to augment his/her income,there will be useful mutts amidst the dross,source and breed right and a totally different hunting companion may be had,was it grasshopper that said "patience is a virtue"?,possibly not.

[s.e.s.k.u 1,893]

this bitch pup is 5/8 collie.. dam collie lurcher ..sire working collie. like socks says I cant see any farmer wanting a working bitch in pup instead of earning her keep? atb sesku

[greenman 221]

You will find that most people who are breeding a litter of lurchers will use a greyhound bitch and a collie dog .. Why is it because this is the best way around? ... No it's because a farmer doesn't want his working bitch off work for months to produce a litter of pups that are of no use to him at all .... On the other hand he is happy to take a few quid off you to let his dog service your bitch then its straight back out on the hill working the sheep .........

My best mate keeps sheep and beef. He has 2 collie bitches, mother and daughter at the moment, he's bred his own from his fathers dogs before him. Proper working collies, I've seen them take a kick of a beef animal, somersault through the air and be back on its heels before you can blink.

 

One evening we were walking checking stock when a herd of around 20 fallow got up out of a spinney and ran across the field. Both bitches took off and no amount of hollering would stop them, if it had been sheep or cattle they wouldn't of moved without command.

 

As the deer straight lined across the field the collies tried to go wide and get around them. Because of the number of deer in the group they had to slow as they couldn't jump the stock fence at once and the collies pulled a doe down and held her.

 

A complete accident, a 'Fenton' moment if you will, with a more successful outcome.

 

Unfortunately that selfish git won't let me put a good running dog over one of them and rear a litter of pups for me to have the pick. That's the type of collie I'd be using.

[morton 5,368]

I would,nt, greenman,proper working collies are controlled on command,a dog that refuses command would be of little use to a working existence.

[Blackdog92 2,047]

I would,nt, greenman,proper working collies are controlled on command,a dog that refuses command would be of little use to a working existence.

Ino what you meen mate my sheepdogs a good yan he's not an eye dog type of sheepdog. Hes what people round my way call a fell dog. Straight legged and upright not one that crawls along the floor. And he was quick to start working at about 7 months he had the basic sheepdog commands down like his sides and stop. Really easy to train just the sort that aims to please and takes everything in you teach him. I think he would be a good potential sire.

[Blackdog92 2,047]

I would,nt, greenman,proper working collies are controlled on command,a dog that refuses command would be of little use to a working existence.

Ino what you meen mate my sheepdogs a good yan he's not an eye dog type of sheepdog. Hes what people round my way call a fell dog. Straight legged and upright not one that crawls along the floor. And he was quick to start working at about 7 months he had the basic sheepdog commands down like his sides and stop. Really easy to train just the sort that aims to please and takes everything in you teach him. I think he would be a good potential sire.

[greenman 221]

I would,nt, greenman,proper working collies are controlled on command,a dog that refuses command would be of little use to a working existence.

I realise that a working sheepdog ignoring commands is a failure on the handlers part. If I put he sent the dogs on an outrun at the herd because he is a tenant and fed up at the estate not keeping the deer down and the damage they do to his fodder beet and young clover leys it would be a ridiculously long sentence without punctuation and an admission to flaunting the hunting act. We were genuinely surprised they caught it and it was pre ban and I had a rifle and I let it go and was sad for the deer.

[morton 5,368]

In that case greenman I would,nt have mentioned it,not rocket science at times is it?.

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

In that case greenman I would,nt have mentioned it,not rocket science at times is it?.

When someone mentions a hunting accident on here it's sometimes wise to use a bit of noggin and think outside the box before accusing them of having an out of control dog? Just saying.

[greenman 221]

True, apologies for taking the thread of track with a daft reply.

 

I fail to see the benefit of going back to the beginning with a first generation 1st x. The hard work has been done by lurcher owners over generations, surely there are enough quality collie crosses out there with varying percentages of running dog on to produce a quality lurcher to suit most peoples needs, assuming you know the lines to go for and the people that keep them. I don't, I've never had or seen a lurcher that's nothing but collie grey working. My introduction to lurchers was a first x Alsatian grey. I happen to have a bull cross now and they seem to click with me. I imagine this argument has been done to death on here, but personally on my limited experience regardless of the cross I fail to see the benefit of starting from scratch with a first cross?

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

True, apologies for taking the thread of track with a daft reply.

 

I fail to see the benefit of going back to the beginning with a first generation 1st x. The hard work has been done by lurcher owners over generations, surely there are enough quality collie crosses out there with varying percentages of running dog on to produce a quality lurcher to suit most peoples needs, assuming you know the lines to go for and the people that keep them. I don't, I've never had or seen a lurcher that's nothing but collie grey working. My introduction to lurchers was a first x Alsatian grey. I happen to have a bull cross now and they seem to click with me. I imagine this argument has been done to death on here, but personally on my limited experience regardless of the cross I fail to see the benefit of starting from scratch with a first cross?

I've said the same before and been shot down.

 

I would much rather a pup from 2 working collie crosses doing what I want, regardless of percentage, than to start from scratch with unknowns.