Breeding Collie X Greyhounds

[bird 9,970]

 

 

One thing to consider is that it's only the bitch which passes on her mitochondrial DNA.

in lay mans terms Neal , whats that mate lol, all I know is any x if 1x what ever the breed its 4/8 s / 4/8s , and supposedly the same % . But ive heard a lot of people say the bitches genes do seem to dominate more as the base line , to a greyhound sire .? it deff did with my pup, and the rest of litter , as they 6 pups deff took to her, but size I think to the sire 29in greyhound .

Are you saying a 1st cross will always result in pups of equal percentage or that sometimes they will throw one way or another?

 

Can't work out what you are trying to say mate?

 

on paper a 1x % is 4/8 x 4/8s genes true,!! but for some reason the pups seem pick up the mothers genes stronger than the sire even though there both equal amount of genes . So if the mother was , pit, collie, gsd, etc .... it shows a lot. and if be it a running dog (bitch) the pups seem to throw more racey . I know on paper it don't had up lol, but that what ive found seeing litters over the years . Infact I could be right as hancock only keeps greyhound bitches , I know its easier for him just to get in greyhound bitches in , but I swear he said years ago the greyhound bitch throws racier pups.

[socks 32,253]

You will find that most people who are breeding a litter of lurchers will use a greyhound bitch and a collie dog .. Why is it because this is the best way around? ... No it's because a farmer doesn't want his working bitch off work for months to produce a litter of pups that are of no use to him at all .... On the other hand he is happy to take a few quid off you to let his dog service your bitch then its straight back out on the hill working the sheep .........

[talt 878]

Personally, if i was going to breed a litter of pups that were half collie, i would use a collie bitch and put her to a top flight tried and tested coursing dog. I think they would more than fast enough for an all round type of lurcher and the sire would be from a line of tested working dogs, whereas a greyhound really just gives the speed. Just my personal opinion though.

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

 

 

 

One thing to consider is that it's only the bitch which passes on her mitochondrial DNA.

in lay mans terms Neal , whats that mate lol, all I know is any x if 1x what ever the breed its 4/8 s / 4/8s , and supposedly the same % . But ive heard a lot of people say the bitches genes do seem to dominate more as the base line , to a greyhound sire .? it deff did with my pup, and the rest of litter , as they 6 pups deff took to her, but size I think to the sire 29in greyhound .

Are you saying a 1st cross will always result in pups of equal percentage or that sometimes they will throw one way or another?

 

Can't work out what you are trying to say mate?

on paper a 1x % is 4/8 x 4/8s genes true,!! but for some reason the pups seem pick up the mothers genes stronger than the sire even though there both equal amount of genes . So if the mother was , pit, collie, gsd, etc .... it shows a lot. and if be it a running dog (bitch) the pups seem to throw more racey . I know on paper it don't had up lol, but that what ive found seeing litters over the years . Infact I could be right as hancock only keeps greyhound bitches , I know its easier for him just to get in greyhound bitches in , but I swear he said years ago the greyhound bitch throws racier pups.

On paper they are collie x greyhound. You couldn't be sure that the pups have got 4/8 collie genes and 4/8 greyhound genes could you?

 

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

I've seen a first cross which looks like a 3/4 grey 1/4 collie and I've seen them look like 3/4 collies.

[DEERMAN 1,020]

 

 

 

One thing to consider is that it's only the bitch which passes on her mitochondrial DNA.

in lay mans terms Neal , whats that mate lol, all I know is any x if 1x what ever the breed its 4/8 s / 4/8s , and supposedly the same % . But ive heard a lot of people say the bitches genes do seem to dominate more as the base line , to a greyhound sire .? it deff did with my pup, and the rest of litter , as they 6 pups deff took to her, but size I think to the sire 29in greyhound .

Are you saying a 1st cross will always result in pups of equal percentage or that sometimes they will throw one way or another?

 

Can't work out what you are trying to say mate?

 

on paper a 1x % is 4/8 x 4/8s genes true,!! but for some reason the pups seem pick up the mothers genes stronger than the sire even though there both equal amount of genes . So if the mother was , pit, collie, gsd, etc .... it shows a lot. and if be it a running dog (bitch) the pups seem to throw more racey . I know on paper it don't had up lol, but that what ive found seeing litters over the years . Infact I could be right as hancock only keeps greyhound bitches , I know its easier for him just to get in greyhound bitches in , but I swear he said years ago the greyhound bitch throws racier pups.

 

no shit :laugh:

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

Personally, if i was going to breed a litter of pups that were half collie, i would use a collie bitch and put her to a top flight tried and tested coursing dog. I think they would more than fast enough for an all round type of lurcher and the sire would be from a line of tested working dogs, whereas a greyhound really just gives the speed. Just my personal opinion though.

 

With this traditional cross,..I feel that the Greyhound blood matters, just as much as the Sheepdog contribution..

 

The Greyhound can offer a whole lot more to the mix, than just , out and out speed...

 

"Ya get Greyhounds,..and ya get Greyhounds", if ya get my drift...

I think anyone who has been around race dogs for any length of time, will say that they have all had their favourites.

They always have their special ones,.the dogs that, if they were ever to breed, a first cross Pit lurcher or a Collie cross or a Saluki hybrid,... well,.this is the one I would use,... kinda thing....

To simply churn out lurchers, using any available Greyhound , just because it can run like the wind,.is why mass produced lurchers are often so variable...

A good Greyhound, put to an equally good 'other half' will usually produce the required article,..after all,..breeding average lurchers for the average hunter (like myself),.. ain't really Rocket Science,.now is it...

[bird 9,970]

 

 

 

 

One thing to consider is that it's only the bitch which passes on her mitochondrial DNA.

in lay mans terms Neal , whats that mate lol, all I know is any x if 1x what ever the breed its 4/8 s / 4/8s , and supposedly the same % . But ive heard a lot of people say the bitches genes do seem to dominate more as the base line , to a greyhound sire .? it deff did with my pup, and the rest of litter , as they 6 pups deff took to her, but size I think to the sire 29in greyhound .

Are you saying a 1st cross will always result in pups of equal percentage or that sometimes they will throw one way or another?

 

Can't work out what you are trying to say mate?

on paper a 1x % is 4/8 x 4/8s genes true,!! but for some reason the pups seem pick up the mothers genes stronger than the sire even though there both equal amount of genes . So if the mother was , pit, collie, gsd, etc .... it shows a lot. and if be it a running dog (bitch) the pups seem to throw more racey . I know on paper it don't had up lol, but that what ive found seeing litters over the years . Infact I could be right as hancock only keeps greyhound bitches , I know its easier for him just to get in greyhound bitches in , but I swear he said years ago the greyhound bitch throws racier pups.

On paper they are collie x greyhound. You couldn't be sure that the pups have got 4/8 collie genes and 4/8 greyhound genes could you?

 

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

I've seen a first cross which looks like a 3/4 grey 1/4 collie and I've seen them look like 3/4 collies.

 

yeh not disputing that gaz , as nobody can say how they will work out in equal measure , but the dam deff seems to control genes strong in a pup .but as I say no of it it had up , more so if it a 1x of just 2 breeds . or maybe its just a fluke with the litters ive seen with most pups taking after the bitch . maybe Max or lads who bred few dogs over years will know how it really works out, ive only bred 1 litter and that was bullmastiffs, and they all looked the fookin same

[DeerhoundLurcherMan 997]

Personally, if i was going to breed a litter of pups that were half collie, i would use a collie bitch and put her to a top flight tried and tested coursing dog. I think they would more than fast enough for an all round type of lurcher and the sire would be from a line of tested working dogs, whereas a greyhound really just gives the speed. Just my personal opinion though.

I know this is about first cross collie greyhounds, but I think along the same lines talt, I would rather a proven coursing dog over a proven cur type bitch..Thats just me..

 

What do you gain by going back to a dog which is bred to run flat out on sand for a short distance and a dog that is bred to work closely with man and heard sheep...

 

Why not use a proven collie lurcher x proven collie lurcher...? With roughly 50% on each side if that's what you want?

 

Genuine question, as I have never understood why lads go back to first Xs?

[Chid 6,589]

 

 

 

 

 

One thing to consider is that it's only the bitch which passes on her mitochondrial DNA.

in lay mans terms Neal , whats that mate lol, all I know is any x if 1x what ever the breed its 4/8 s / 4/8s , and supposedly the same % . But ive heard a lot of people say the bitches genes do seem to dominate more as the base line , to a greyhound sire .? it deff did with my pup, and the rest of litter , as they 6 pups deff took to her, but size I think to the sire 29in greyhound .

Are you saying a 1st cross will always result in pups of equal percentage or that sometimes they will throw one way or another?

 

Can't work out what you are trying to say mate?

on paper a 1x % is 4/8 x 4/8s genes true,!! but for some reason the pups seem pick up the mothers genes stronger than the sire even though there both equal amount of genes . So if the mother was , pit, collie, gsd, etc .... it shows a lot. and if be it a running dog (bitch) the pups seem to throw more racey . I know on paper it don't had up lol, but that what ive found seeing litters over the years . Infact I could be right as hancock only keeps greyhound bitches , I know its easier for him just to get in greyhound bitches in , but I swear he said years ago the greyhound bitch throws racier pups.

On paper they are collie x greyhound. You couldn't be sure that the pups have got 4/8 collie genes and 4/8 greyhound genes could you?

 

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

I've seen a first cross which looks like a 3/4 grey 1/4 collie and I've seen them look like 3/4 collies.

One thing you can be sure of with a 1st cross mating is that there going to have half of each parents genes ....

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

 

 

 

 

 

One thing to consider is that it's only the bitch which passes on her mitochondrial DNA.

in lay mans terms Neal , whats that mate lol, all I know is any x if 1x what ever the breed its 4/8 s / 4/8s , and supposedly the same % . But ive heard a lot of people say the bitches genes do seem to dominate more as the base line , to a greyhound sire .? it deff did with my pup, and the rest of litter , as they 6 pups deff took to her, but size I think to the sire 29in greyhound .

Are you saying a 1st cross will always result in pups of equal percentage or that sometimes they will throw one way or another?

 

Can't work out what you are trying to say mate?

on paper a 1x % is 4/8 x 4/8s genes true,!! but for some reason the pups seem pick up the mothers genes stronger than the sire even though there both equal amount of genes . So if the mother was , pit, collie, gsd, etc .... it shows a lot. and if be it a running dog (bitch) the pups seem to throw more racey . I know on paper it don't had up lol, but that what ive found seeing litters over the years . Infact I could be right as hancock only keeps greyhound bitches , I know its easier for him just to get in greyhound bitches in , but I swear he said years ago the greyhound bitch throws racier pups.

On paper they are collie x greyhound. You couldn't be sure that the pups have got 4/8 collie genes and 4/8 greyhound genes could you?

 

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

I've seen a first cross which looks like a 3/4 grey 1/4 collie and I've seen them look like 3/4 collies.

One thing you can be sure of with a 1st cross mating is that there going to have half of each parents genes ....

Are you sure?

 

I'm sure some pups could have more greyhound than others and some have more collie etc.

[Chid 6,589]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One thing to consider is that it's only the bitch which passes on her mitochondrial DNA.

in lay mans terms Neal , whats that mate lol, all I know is any x if 1x what ever the breed its 4/8 s / 4/8s , and supposedly the same % . But ive heard a lot of people say the bitches genes do seem to dominate more as the base line , to a greyhound sire .? it deff did with my pup, and the rest of litter , as they 6 pups deff took to her, but size I think to the sire 29in greyhound .

Are you saying a 1st cross will always result in pups of equal percentage or that sometimes they will throw one way or another?

 

Can't work out what you are trying to say mate?

on paper a 1x % is 4/8 x 4/8s genes true,!! but for some reason the pups seem pick up the mothers genes stronger than the sire even though there both equal amount of genes . So if the mother was , pit, collie, gsd, etc .... it shows a lot. and if be it a running dog (bitch) the pups seem to throw more racey . I know on paper it don't had up lol, but that what ive found seeing litters over the years . Infact I could be right as hancock only keeps greyhound bitches , I know its easier for him just to get in greyhound bitches in , but I swear he said years ago the greyhound bitch throws racier pups.

On paper they are collie x greyhound. You couldn't be sure that the pups have got 4/8 collie genes and 4/8 greyhound genes could you?

 

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

I've seen a first cross which looks like a 3/4 grey 1/4 collie and I've seen them look like 3/4 collies.

One thing you can be sure of with a 1st cross mating is that there going to have half of each parents genes ....

Are you sure?

 

I'm sure some pups could have more greyhound than others and some have more collie etc.

Nope , but that doesn't mean a pup can't throw to either parent , but on a 1st cross you'll always have 50/50

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One thing to consider is that it's only the bitch which passes on her mitochondrial DNA.

in lay mans terms Neal , whats that mate lol, all I know is any x if 1x what ever the breed its 4/8 s / 4/8s , and supposedly the same % . But ive heard a lot of people say the bitches genes do seem to dominate more as the base line , to a greyhound sire .? it deff did with my pup, and the rest of litter , as they 6 pups deff took to her, but size I think to the sire 29in greyhound .

Are you saying a 1st cross will always result in pups of equal percentage or that sometimes they will throw one way or another?

 

Can't work out what you are trying to say mate?

on paper a 1x % is 4/8 x 4/8s genes true,!! but for some reason the pups seem pick up the mothers genes stronger than the sire even though there both equal amount of genes . So if the mother was , pit, collie, gsd, etc .... it shows a lot. and if be it a running dog (bitch) the pups seem to throw more racey . I know on paper it don't had up lol, but that what ive found seeing litters over the years . Infact I could be right as hancock only keeps greyhound bitches , I know its easier for him just to get in greyhound bitches in , but I swear he said years ago the greyhound bitch throws racier pups.

On paper they are collie x greyhound. You couldn't be sure that the pups have got 4/8 collie genes and 4/8 greyhound genes could you?

 

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

I've seen a first cross which looks like a 3/4 grey 1/4 collie and I've seen them look like 3/4 collies.

One thing you can be sure of with a 1st cross mating is that there going to have half of each parents genes ....

Are you sure?

 

I'm sure some pups could have more greyhound than others and some have more collie etc.

Nope , but that doesn't mean a pup can't throw to either parent , but on a 1st cross you'll always have 50/50

So it could throw to the greyhound but still have 50% of each gene?

[Chid 6,589]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One thing to consider is that it's only the bitch which passes on her mitochondrial DNA.

in lay mans terms Neal , whats that mate lol, all I know is any x if 1x what ever the breed its 4/8 s / 4/8s , and supposedly the same % . But ive heard a lot of people say the bitches genes do seem to dominate more as the base line , to a greyhound sire .? it deff did with my pup, and the rest of litter , as they 6 pups deff took to her, but size I think to the sire 29in greyhound .

Are you saying a 1st cross will always result in pups of equal percentage or that sometimes they will throw one way or another?

 

Can't work out what you are trying to say mate?

on paper a 1x % is 4/8 x 4/8s genes true,!! but for some reason the pups seem pick up the mothers genes stronger than the sire even though there both equal amount of genes . So if the mother was , pit, collie, gsd, etc .... it shows a lot. and if be it a running dog (bitch) the pups seem to throw more racey . I know on paper it don't had up lol, but that what ive found seeing litters over the years . Infact I could be right as hancock only keeps greyhound bitches , I know its easier for him just to get in greyhound bitches in , but I swear he said years ago the greyhound bitch throws racier pups.

On paper they are collie x greyhound. You couldn't be sure that the pups have got 4/8 collie genes and 4/8 greyhound genes could you?

 

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

I've seen a first cross which looks like a 3/4 grey 1/4 collie and I've seen them look like 3/4 collies.

One thing you can be sure of with a 1st cross mating is that there going to have half of each parents genes ....

Are you sure?

 

I'm sure some pups could have more greyhound than others and some have more collie etc.

Nope , but that doesn't mean a pup can't throw to either parent , but on a 1st cross you'll always have 50/50

So it could throw to the greyhound but still have 50% of each gene?

Yes , you only get 50% from each parent same as us humans do

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One thing to consider is that it's only the bitch which passes on her mitochondrial DNA.

in lay mans terms Neal , whats that mate lol, all I know is any x if 1x what ever the breed its 4/8 s / 4/8s , and supposedly the same % . But ive heard a lot of people say the bitches genes do seem to dominate more as the base line , to a greyhound sire .? it deff did with my pup, and the rest of litter , as they 6 pups deff took to her, but size I think to the sire 29in greyhound .

Are you saying a 1st cross will always result in pups of equal percentage or that sometimes they will throw one way or another?

 

Can't work out what you are trying to say mate?

on paper a 1x % is 4/8 x 4/8s genes true,!! but for some reason the pups seem pick up the mothers genes stronger than the sire even though there both equal amount of genes . So if the mother was , pit, collie, gsd, etc .... it shows a lot. and if be it a running dog (bitch) the pups seem to throw more racey . I know on paper it don't had up lol, but that what ive found seeing litters over the years . Infact I could be right as hancock only keeps greyhound bitches , I know its easier for him just to get in greyhound bitches in , but I swear he said years ago the greyhound bitch throws racier pups.

On paper they are collie x greyhound. You couldn't be sure that the pups have got 4/8 collie genes and 4/8 greyhound genes could you?

 

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

I've seen a first cross which looks like a 3/4 grey 1/4 collie and I've seen them look like 3/4 collies.

One thing you can be sure of with a 1st cross mating is that there going to have half of each parents genes ....

Are you sure?

 

I'm sure some pups could have more greyhound than others and some have more collie etc.

Nope , but that doesn't mean a pup can't throw to either parent , but on a 1st cross you'll always have 50/50

So it could throw to the greyhound but still have 50% of each gene?

Yes , you only get 50% from each parent same as us humans do

Ok so why do I look like my dad and my brother looks more like my mum?

 

Not arguing with you. Just trying to get my head around it.

[bunnys 1,228]

a suppose a fine balance of both parents his what we all desire ,but this his not often the case, breeding lurcher ta lurcher of given type will give betta results ,my take on it learned through experience . seen like pure hounds run like sheep dogs etc and seen em tother way round very rarely we get balance we all looking for .atb bunnys.