Ideation 8,216 Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Well as I was thinking of heavily collie blood lurcher, it's going to be slower in general to a dog with more running dog simple really. A quick fix because it's said to be easier to train,born with prey sense ,simple really. Was reading a article from a greyhound vet the other day he reckons if the derby winner had its tail painted yellow next year half would have there tail painted yellow. A bit like here a few pictures of a collie x with some rabbits every one thinks it's a magic ingredient. See I wouldn't say that a real heavily collie blooded dog is necessarily easy to train. Some of them need far more patience, and a quieter, slower approach than some other breeds. Just going from what i've seen. Out of interest, where do you get the idea that everyone on here thinks that collie x's are some kind of magic wonder dog, and they are all the rage. There are far more bull x's and beady x's on here than there are collie blooded dogs. . . . . . and even more lurcher x lurchers. They really fell out of fashion for a while (at least in the public eye) but the collie x will always have a fairly large place in the lurcher world, as they were one of the original lurcher breedings, there are plenty of collies about (and working ones), and there happens to be a rather large commercial breeder of them lol. Some folk just like them. This thread has been interesting, but I don't really get it? It's like me saying all half x bull grey hounds are too slow and too highly strung and aggressive to make a decent mooching companion, and that they are only good for one job, and often not even any use for that. And whilst there are plenty of examples that conform. . . . as a generalisation . . . . . it's bollox. 2 Quote Link to post
socks 32,253 Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Somebody forgot to tell my half cross bitch that she is to slow to put game in the bag and will jack when it gets a bit tough ... I must have a word with her and put her straight ... Come to think of it my young bitch has also not clicked that she isn't supposed to catch big numbers ... 20 months old and has put more game in the bag than most dogs do in 5 years .......... aye but wait till it's 22 months & it starts using it's brain She uses her brain now and the old girl has used hers for the last eight years and still,puts plenty away ......... Quote Link to post
pritch 335 Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Well as I was thinking of heavily collie blood lurcher, it's going to be slower in general to a dog with more running dog simple really. A quick fix because it's said to be easier to train,born with prey sense ,simple really. Was reading a article from a greyhound vet the other day he reckons if the derby winner had its tail painted yellow next year half would have there tail painted yellow. A bit like here a few pictures of a collie x with some rabbits every one thinks it's a magic ingredient. well i think it was earlier in this post someone was on about a 3/4 bull that was a good un on the bunnies, i wouldn't of thowt it would be as fast as a 3/4 collie.the magic only appears if it's a merle Quote Link to post
Phil Lloyd 10,738 Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 How did everything become so fecking complicated 5 Quote Link to post
pritch 335 Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 How did everything become so fecking complicated it didn't,some folk just over think things lol Quote Link to post
weasle 1,119 Posted April 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Well as I was thinking of heavily collie blood lurcher, it's going to be slower in general to a dog with more running dog simple really. A quick fix because it's said to be easier to train,born with prey sense ,simple really. Was reading a article from a greyhound vet the other day he reckons if the derby winner had its tail painted yellow next year half would have there tail painted yellow. A bit like here a few pictures of a collie x with some rabbits every one thinks it's a magic ingredient. See I wouldn't say that a real heavily collie blooded dog is necessarily easy to train. Some of them need far more patience, and a quieter, slower approach than some other breeds. Just going from what i've seen. Out of interest, where do you get the idea that everyone on here thinks that collie x's are some kind of magic wonder dog, and they are all the rage. There are far more bull x's and beady x's on here than there are collie blooded dogs. . . . . . and even more lurcher x lurchers. They really fell out of fashion for a while (at least in the public eye) but the collie x will always have a fairly large place in the lurcher world, as they were one of the original lurcher breedings, there are plenty of collies about (and working ones), and there happens to be a rather large commercial breeder of them lol. Some folk just like them. This thread has been interesting, but I don't really get it? It's like me saying all half x bull grey hounds are too slow and too highly strung and aggressive to make a decent mooching companion, and that they are only good for one job, and often not even any use for that. And whilst there are plenty of examples that conform. . . . as a generalisation . . . . . it's bollox. you seem to be getting stressed... You had a whippet now you have a collie x?Now you want a dog that connects to you in some way ,you never connected to the whippet.? Ive had all sorts the only one i couldnt connect with seemed to be suffering from some kind of voices in the head,Some took longer than others. Werent you telling some one you wouldnt pick a bullx for ferreting,Fair enough but it dont mean others havnt found them very useful. Thats what a forum is about isnt it. The bit i find interesting is a normal lad buys in a heavily collie blooded lurcher finds them getting too clever,Yet someone eles claims to have had them all there life and never had one pick and choose Keep it cival. Quote Link to post
weasle 1,119 Posted April 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 How did everything become so fecking complicated How did everything become so fecking complicated it didn't,some folk just over think things lol Or maybe when the truth gets in the way of a good story Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,216 Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Well as I was thinking of heavily collie blood lurcher, it's going to be slower in general to a dog with more running dog simple really. A quick fix because it's said to be easier to train,born with prey sense ,simple really. Was reading a article from a greyhound vet the other day he reckons if the derby winner had its tail painted yellow next year half would have there tail painted yellow. A bit like here a few pictures of a collie x with some rabbits every one thinks it's a magic ingredient. See I wouldn't say that a real heavily collie blooded dog is necessarily easy to train. Some of them need far more patience, and a quieter, slower approach than some other breeds. Just going from what i've seen. Out of interest, where do you get the idea that everyone on here thinks that collie x's are some kind of magic wonder dog, and they are all the rage. There are far more bull x's and beady x's on here than there are collie blooded dogs. . . . . . and even more lurcher x lurchers. They really fell out of fashion for a while (at least in the public eye) but the collie x will always have a fairly large place in the lurcher world, as they were one of the original lurcher breedings, there are plenty of collies about (and working ones), and there happens to be a rather large commercial breeder of them lol. Some folk just like them. This thread has been interesting, but I don't really get it? It's like me saying all half x bull grey hounds are too slow and too highly strung and aggressive to make a decent mooching companion, and that they are only good for one job, and often not even any use for that. And whilst there are plenty of examples that conform. . . . as a generalisation . . . . . it's bollox. you seem to be getting stressed... You had a whippet now you have a collie x?Now you want a dog that connects to you in some way ,you never connected to the whippet.? Ive had all sorts the only one i couldnt connect with seemed to be suffering from some kind of voices in the head,Some took longer than others. Werent you telling some one you wouldnt pick a bullx for ferreting,Fair enough but it dont mean others havnt found them very useful. Thats what a forum is about isnt it. The bit i find interesting is a normal lad buys in a heavily collie blooded lurcher finds them getting too clever,Yet someone eles claims to have had them all there life and never had one pick and choose Keep it cival. I wasn't trying to be anything other than civil matey. The bollox bit was to me saying that bull x's are slow, aggressive etc. I know that's bollocks because i've seen them do just about everything a lurcher can. 1. Not stressed and don't mean to come across that way, i'm just doing 3 things at once, and typing one handed as I got bitten on my other hand and its got infected and swollen like a balloon lol 2. . I do have a whippet and a lurcher. 3.. The lurcher has almost as much bull and saluki as it has collie, not to mention the grey and whippet. So maybe not a collie x? 4. I connect with the whippet and the lurcher equally, wouldn't part with either. The whippet is probably more in tune with me currently as he's been around me for longer. They are different dogs though, with different working, hunting styles and personality, so I try to give them work to suit their skill set, or mind set or whatever. 5. With regards to ferreting with a bull x. I have seen some decent enough bull x's ferreting but if I wanted a dog only for that task, day in, day out, then I wouldn't pick a bull x. And for the record when I say bull x, I mean a half x bull/grey or something similar, not a lurcher with any bull in it. Now that's not saying that there are not some bull x's out there that have not made top ferreting dogs. . . . but like out else, you try to stack things in your favour maybe? 6 . What do you class as a 'normal lad' . . . . ? And is it not possible that some gets one that does something that another man has not seen in the 4 he has owned? For example, you may buy a half x bull/grey and it turn into a man biter, highly strung, dog aggressive etc. But another man could say, well, i've had four over the years and not one has been like that, all laid back etc. So is one man a liar? Or is that just how life goes? 2 Quote Link to post
pritch 335 Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Well as I was thinking of heavily collie blood lurcher, it's going to be slower in general to a dog with more running dog simple really. A quick fix because it's said to be easier to train,born with prey sense ,simple really. Was reading a article from a greyhound vet the other day he reckons if the derby winner had its tail painted yellow next year half would have there tail painted yellow. A bit like here a few pictures of a collie x with some rabbits every one thinks it's a magic ingredient. See I wouldn't say that a real heavily collie blooded dog is necessarily easy to train. Some of them need far more patience, and a quieter, slower approach than some other breeds. Just going from what i've seen. Out of interest, where do you get the idea that everyone on here thinks that collie x's are some kind of magic wonder dog, and they are all the rage. There are far more bull x's and beady x's on here than there are collie blooded dogs. . . . . . and even more lurcher x lurchers. They really fell out of fashion for a while (at least in the public eye) but the collie x will always have a fairly large place in the lurcher world, as they were one of the original lurcher breedings, there are plenty of collies about (and working ones), and there happens to be a rather large commercial breeder of them lol. Some folk just like them. This thread has been interesting, but I don't really get it? It's like me saying all half x bull grey hounds are too slow and too highly strung and aggressive to make a decent mooching companion, and that they are only good for one job, and often not even any use for that. And whilst there are plenty of examples that conform. . . . as a generalisation . . . . . it's bollox. you seem to be getting stressed... You had a whippet now you have a collie x?Now you want a dog that connects to you in some way ,you never connected to the whippet.? Ive had all sorts the only one i couldnt connect with seemed to be suffering from some kind of voices in the head,Some took longer than others. Werent you telling some one you wouldnt pick a bullx for ferreting,Fair enough but it dont mean others havnt found them very useful. Thats what a forum is about isnt it. The bit i find interesting is a normal lad buys in a heavily collie blooded lurcher finds them getting too clever,Yet someone eles claims to have had them all there life and never had one pick and choose Keep it cival. well while i haven't had them all my life i've had em well over 25 year & can only say as i've found, what other folk have found i can't say & it doesn't concern me one bit.funny though for hundreds of years folk have cross herders wi fast uns & still are so they must be of use to someone 1 Quote Link to post
2.8 guy 403 Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Hi weasle ive only read a couple of pages but in answer to the first post, once apon a time many moons ago I used to be in love with the collie greyhound would not kennel anything els but now shy away from them as a good one could be the best dog youve ever seen a bad one can make you want to hang up your hunting gear. Im sure while out theres been many times were brains have come into play in the end result of catching but theres just one tail that springs to mind instantly. A night out was arranged and three lads went out round our local the rabbits are very thin on the ground hares even fewer, two lads turned up with saluki greyhounds one had a collie cross called gena we'll run the hares you run the rabbits said the long dog owners no probs. The gang set off and gena was a usual self catching the things that was put in front of her the saluki boys blanking on there runs my mate started to take the piss so the lads said you run the next hare, the dog was slipped and sure enough the hare was caught my mate upped the insults and banter in the bottom of a field sat in front of a tree just off the hedge was a rabbit my mate said run that to which you run it its only just off the hedge theres no chance of catching it my mate said if this dog (genna) catches that you want to take them two piles of shit to the vets and have them put down. The dog was slipped and dissapered out of the beam the giggles and nudges started then out of the darkness from behind the tree pop gena and just scooped up the sat rabbit she realised also her chances was slim but used her brain to work out the best way of a catch GENA ONE OF THE BEST IVE EVER SEEN 7 Quote Link to post
Phil Lloyd 10,738 Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 (edited) Think we are going round and round in fecking circles,..and slowly disappearing up our own arses. Folk can keep whatever style of lurcher/running dog,.. that they like,... We all know what type suits our own needs,.. and if that type was no good,. then we would not keep it,...cos that would be,.. extremely silly... Edited April 13, 2014 by Phil Lloyd 5 Quote Link to post
wuyang 513 Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 The collies and collie lurchers I've worked have varied massively in their style and drive to get hold of what there chasing..... And anybody who has worked a few will know this. Thing is you really need to start with the right collie.....and if you don't it's a lottery. 2 Quote Link to post
KittleRox 2,147 Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 If your collie x is too slow to catch fookall or is a jacker you can always find other uses, nothing more silly than a man chasing after his own hat 14 Quote Link to post
weasle 1,119 Posted April 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 2..8 guy yes i only had one when it was running true it was great,then it would start thinking and you would come home feeling battered lol.Thats why cur lads talk about partnships ect , its more complicated than your miss will ever be lol Ideation if it runs true its a bullx if it jacks its a colliex Plenty lads on this thread into there colliex saying they wouldnt have one with too much collie in for lamping,so im not that far of mark? 1 Quote Link to post
kps1979 1,308 Posted April 13, 2014 Report Share Posted April 13, 2014 Here's my young bitch, she's got both collie and small amount of bull in her, so in theory she might end up being a very driven jacker! Quote Link to post
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