Collie Brains

[pro keeper 111]

My take is that a collie cross can be quite testing to train and they need to be kept well occupied so if you cant devote the time leave them alone, however this is not always the case, can brains catch you more rabbits ? i would say yes lets take the dog which chases behind every course v the dog that cut the angle down and can keep a rabbit off the hedge ? i like lamping myself and have owned a few tidy dogs, was it pure luck that made my dogs tidy or could it be that lamping 3 nights a week or more when i was most keen gave them the education they needed!!!! if that's the case i would say learning = brains =good catch rates, in a field near my house a half bred collie when lamping a hare years ago ran to the gate a waited there knowing the hare left the field there, the hare was 180 degrees the other direction that hare had been run a few time and was totally lamp shy, when i slipped the dog it ran the wrong way with me shouting f cking stupid dog i kept the lamp on this hare thinking the dog would catch on, the hare made a big loop round the field and headed for the gate where my dog caught it with ease returned it to hand looking at me to say who's stupid here lol a homer simpson moment why you little!!!

[nothernlite 18,077]

Had a lurcher do the same with a hare and it was daytime never had any collie in it just thinking for itself Had a collie cross with alot of collie in it was a pain great we ferreting dog but lamp would stalk everything great collie trait NOT

[ands 544]

In this lurcher saturated world, there are far more examples of bad collie brain than good IMO because though I am certainly getting a bit better with age, harnessing that brain right ain't every ones forte and for the layman, most collie crosses are a damn sight harder to handle than other crosses. They can be simply too much dog!

Edited to add, personally, I'd rather have, some of the other good points from these crosses, feet, stamina, coat, frame and bone. To me the collie brings more to the table than brain alone when crossed with your speed machines.

Oh yer, Stabs and Tomo are dead right IMO, don't underestimate the brain on your bull bloods, they may surprise a few.

A lot of the collies are a little "mixed up" its all about channeling their extreme work rate into the job you want them to do. Nothing wrong with a well trained bull x either!

[whippet 99 2,613]

BOSUN.......that's bad owners , not the collies.........

[weasle 1,119]

My take is that a collie cross can be quite testing to train and they need to be kept well occupied so if you cant devote the time leave them alone, however this is not always the case, can brains catch you more rabbits ? i would say yes lets take the dog which chases behind every course v the dog that cut the angle down and can keep a rabbit off the hedge ? i like lamping myself and have owned a few tidy dogs, was it pure luck that made my dogs tidy or could it be that lamping 3 nights a week or more when i was most keen gave them the education they needed!!!! if that's the case i would say learning = brains =good catch rates, in a field near my house a half bred collie when lamping a hare years ago ran to the gate a waited there knowing the hare left the field there, the hare was 180 degrees the other direction that hare had been run a few time and was totally lamp shy, when i slipped the dog it ran the wrong way with me shouting f cking stupid dog i kept the lamp on this hare thinking the dog would catch on, the hare made a big loop round the field and headed for the gate where my dog caught it with ease returned it to hand looking at me to say who's stupid here lol a homer simpson moment why you little!!!

See to me thats a fault.

Ihad one i used to enjoy sitting on a gate on a summers evening watching it stalk rabbits.

Not so much fun when out with other lads wind howling, your turn to slip,dog crouches down tiptoeing up the beam,Stopping everytime rabbit peeps over grass,Youd want thick skin for the banter.

Lets not pretend all lurcher lads are totally stupid,ask them the fault of collie xs "brains"

[Bosun11 537]

BOSUN.......that's bad owners , not the collies.........

 

WHIPPET.... not in every case...!

 

[nothernlite 18,077]

 

In this lurcher saturated world, there are far more examples of bad collie brain than good IMO because though I am certainly getting a bit better with age, harnessing that brain right ain't every ones forte and for the layman, most collie crosses are a damn sight harder to handle than other crosses. They can be simply too much dog!Edited to add, personally, I'd rather have, some of the other good points from these crosses, feet, stamina, coat, frame and bone. To me the collie brings more to the table than brain alone when crossed with your speed machines.Oh yer, Stabs and Tomo are dead right IMO, don't underestimate the brain on your bull bloods, they may surprise a few.

A lot of the collies are a little "mixed up" its all about channeling their extreme work rate into the job you want them to do. Nothing wrong with a well trained bull x either!

 

In this lurcher saturated world, there are far more examples of bad collie brain than good IMO because though I am certainly getting a bit better with age, harnessing that brain right ain't every ones forte and for the layman, most collie crosses are a damn sight harder to handle than other crosses. They can be simply too much dog!Edited to add, personally, I'd rather have, some of the other good points from these crosses, feet, stamina, coat, frame and bone. To me the collie brings more to the table than brain alone when crossed with your speed machines.Oh yer, Stabs and Tomo are dead right IMO, don't underestimate the brain on your bull bloods, they may surprise a few.

A lot of the collies are a little "mixed up" its all about channeling their extreme work rate into the job you want them to do. Nothing wrong with a well trained bull x either!

a little mixed up tyre biters lol Edited April 11, 2014 by nothernlite

[border lad 1,047]

well lads its been said all before, A Good CollieX is hard to beat for filling the pot and the freezer,in my very young days,

An old Cumbrian Huntsman said to me, you do more huntin, than thee, dog, stand back an let thee dog do thee huntin,let him see his rabbit, and another ole travelling man, always believed, a good dog will hunt the field, put his Quarry up, and carry back to hand, ((or to the van, that is all daytime,, either love them or loath them, a good collie x is a poachers dog, they can make a good Watchdog, keep strangers from your yard, put meat on the table, and a great companion,

again all the bad traits that is written about them on THL, i have not encountered, now I have the saluki x they have there down side, but they also have there plus side, bit more strong headed, and when they hunt, they hunt for them selves, carry back again if its in there favour, and other times, there are just a pleasure to own, such is dogs, you have to work along side them to get the best out of any cross, understand them, and Patience is a virtue,

[weasle 1,119]

Id think many a good collie cross,has dictated when its time to pack up lamping at some time or another.

True or false

[shaaark 10,710]

Id think many a good collie cross,has dictated when its time to pack up lamping at some time or another.

True or false

Seen most x's and lurcher x lurcher types do the same, with enough experience, or run too often when not fit

[bird 9,872]

 

Id think many a good collie cross,has dictated when its time to pack up lamping at some time or another.

True or false

Seen most x's and lurcher x lurcher types do the same, with enough experience, or run too often when not fit

 

true, not saying you got run it to standstill or when its not fit, but the collie x type will say when its had enough , bit more quicker than most other xs in the night, ive had few over the years and all have this mind-set attitude .Like said its what you doing with dog, if nice steady lamping +mooching+ferreting there hard to beat, but push them that bit harder ,and more so as they get older it will show more, they are a clever type dog they will do what they want not you.But not just colliexs any lurcher will do the same at some point colliexs bit quicker I think.?

[whippet 99 2,613]

I cant stop mine from running , endless stamina, just not the fastest of dogs , but does whats written on the tin

[breeze 1,297]

[marshy pete 3]

I've kept crossbred herding dogs,..all my life,...used other types, for other business, and enjoyed them immensely, but I always return to the mongrel curs..As for brains,.well,... I've seen some reet dumb pastoral types, and one should never equate high intelligence with easy training,.cos it just ain't so...

A collie lurcher, that truly favours the collie, in its general outlook,.is not an easy animal for the tyro hunter to handle..Truth is, I've seen lurchers bred from generations of herding dog, that were silly as rooks and even first crosses , half and half,..that in reality, were no brighter that semi-gazehounds..

This reputed collie cleverness is not always guaranteed,..same as not all Bull bloods will go,..and not all Salukis catch hares,...I have found that if you require a particular quality from a lurcher, it is best to breed from animals that exhibit , that chosen quality,.be it physique, speed or ...brains...in other words, be selective...

As a moucher,.I don't need a top dog or anything mind blowing,...I just require a keen wee thing,..who can find a rabbit,..or a pheasant.

 

In conclusion,.if a jukel can twig on to what you want,...in my mind,.he is plenty brainy enough,.and it don't matter to me if he is bred from Billy Big Balls,..the Skull Crusher,..or from Shep the fecking Sheepdog

 

This is spot on.....breed the dog for it's strengths, not the breed on reputation...

[pritch 335]

every dog i've had has had collie in most half or more & i've never had a dog that

stalked rabbits