Pups, Credentials?

[Ideation 8,216]

One thing I've been thinking since I read this last night . . . . . it made me reflect back upon the standards thread.

 

I think at the end of the day, whether they admit it to themselves or others, or not . . . . . most of the folk on here, and most of the people into dogs, just don't require anything that's particularly outstanding. Most 'decent enough' dogs will do. . . . . catch a few rabbits on the lamp, do a bit of ferreting, hunt up cover a bit, maybe kill the odd fox here or there, pull a couple of deer. Their owners are out for the enjoyment of being out, and working their dogs, and they enjoy it whether they catch or not, as long as they catch enough from time to time.

 

That's not an insult, that's just the facts of life. It's just that some folk accept, and admit that, and other still try to create fantasies around themselves and their dogs.

 

However, having said all that . . . . those people are lucky as hell, that there are lads out there that have the brutal drive and determination to seek out the very best of the very best, and test it hard, to keep these good lines going. Sure they will throw duffers, but they manage to throw a few outstanding dogs to. . . . and it's these dogs that ultimately strengthen a gene pool. . . . . and give people the ability to breed with consistency, rather than just taking a chance and accepting whatever they have until the next one.

 

Or something like that . . . .

[South hams hunter 8,921]

Well jai I think that's spot on, well written and thought out mate.

[nothernlite 18,078]

Well said ideation thats what its all about no big numbers just watching your dogs work well that does it for me atb

[clipo 871]

 

its like a cake whats missing what needs to be added and hope for the best puppy peddlers use names and paper work and there all lies and shit

 

I've got to be honest as soon as I hear a name dropped I switch off............................Amount of litters I've advertised with certain names in the blood begs belief. Some dogs must be on the job constantly or .....................and more than likely the peddlers are full of shite

think you missed the word "seen" out there mate......

[South hams hunter 8,921]

Nope raws a peddler lol

[clipo 871]

Yh that's a fair point johnny. Rabbiters with bullxs and daywalkers with colliexs sort of thing bit is that perhaps they're tryna make a name or just don't like the type of dog suited to there hunting?

What a load of shite!!! Why cant bull crosses make good rabbit dogs then?? And your saying collie cross cant catch hares in daytime??

Edited April 6, 2014 by clipo

[Ideation 8,216]

 

Yh that's a fair point johnny. Rabbiters with bullxs and daywalkers with colliexs sort of thing bit is that perhaps they're tryna make a name or just don't like the type of dog suited to there hunting?

What a load of shite!!! Why cant bull crosses make good rabbit dogs then?? And your saying collie cross cant catch hares in daytime??

 

 

Aye they both can. . . . . but I think if I was going to be ferreting a few times a week, every week . . . . a half x bull/grey might not be my first choice, and if I was on the fens every week of the season . . . . I might not pick a half x collie/grey. Obviously you get dogs that just defy logic. . . . . . but there is a reason why some dogs are mostly selected for certain tasks . . . . . and to argue against that doesn't make sense. . . . . .

 

It goes back to picking a pup that's parents do what you want the pup to do. . . . and very well.

 

For example, if you were a foxing man. . . . dedicated to hunting charlie. . . . would you go and get a coursing bred pup? No probably not, no matter how well bred that pup was, or how many legends were in it . . . . . . it would end up looking foolish most likely. Same as if you were a professional rabbit controller. . . . . you may not get a pup out of two bull x fox slaying machines . . . . . even at the top of their game . . . . . they probably wouldn't throw the best ferreting dog available.

Edited April 6, 2014 by Ideation

[South hams hunter 8,921]

 

 

 

Yh that's a fair point johnny. Rabbiters with bullxs and daywalkers with colliexs sort of thing bit is that perhaps they're tryna make a name or just don't like the type of dog suited to there hunting?

What a load of shite!!! Why cant bull crosses make good rabbit dogs then?? And your saying collie cross cant catch hares in daytime??

Aye they both can. . . . . but I think if I was going to be ferreting a few times a week, every week . . . . a half x bull/grey might not be my first choice, and if I was on the fens every week of the season . . . . I might not pick a half x collie/grey. Obviously you get dogs that just defy logic. . . . . . but there is a reason why some dogs are mostly selected for certain tasks . . . . . and to argue against that doesn't make sense. . . . . .

its just stewie after a bite, he's probably pissed again.

 

Ideation said exactly what I was going to, of course those dogs can the same as you can knock in a nail with a lump hammer but don't mean a chippy is going to use one does it

[clipo 871]

Jai thats true but a 3/4 grey 1/4 bull would be as good as anyother cross and still a bull cross

 

SHH just in from a three hour mooch actually must admit it does make me laugh how not so long ago your writing articles about daddy taking you out on a school night lamping hares with two dogs and now you giving out advice to people

[South hams hunter 8,921]

I was 14 when I did that, ain't been out with my old man in 2-3 seasons and ain't spoke to him even this season.

 

Stewie I've been hunting for 7-8 years now and have seen a lot of game across a vast land so tell my why I can't give advice?

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

When you get to my age,..you start to forget much of what you have learned,..and need constantly reminding...

So,...any advice,.. from any quarter,..is gratefully recieved...

 

Edited April 6, 2014 by Phil Lloyd

[clipo 871]

I was 14 when I did that, ain't been out with my old man in 2-3 seasons and ain't spoke to him even this season.Stewie I've been hunting for 7-8 years now and have seen a lot of game across a vast land so tell my why I can't give advice?

my oldest bitch here is 14 yrs old mate and had here since a pup....f**k even my rabbiting bull cross is 6 next month but thats still f**k all compared to some on here that your trying to tell stuff to!!! In ten years time you will no wat i mean, it will just dawn on you that you thought you knew it all when really you were young and new f**k all.......thats not slagging you off its called growing up and happens to us all eventually....... Edited April 6, 2014 by clipo

[South hams hunter 8,921]

Why do you think I don't post half as much as I use to? Realised I don't know it all but I'd like to think I know a fair deal.

 

How long you've been in it means f**k all, know blokes my old mans age that have been into hunting since the 70s-80s and are no further than when they started all those years ago. Still making silly mistakes and still acting like amateurs

[South hams hunter 8,921]

When you get to my age,..you start to forget much of what you have learned,..and need constantly reminding...

So,...any advice,.. from any quarter,..is gratefully recieved...

 

I'm dreading it and I'm only 21 lol ... Just remember Phil growing old is compulsory but growing up isnt

[the big chief 3,099]

I was 14 when I did that, ain't been out with my old man in 2-3 seasons and ain't spoke to him even this season.

Stewie I've been hunting for 7-8 years now and have seen a lot of game across a vast land so tell my why I can't give advice?

so you haven't been working lurchers long to give advice he is is saying and it shows with you saying i shouldn't breed my 2 dogs lol keep up the good work shh one day it should come to ya good look