Added Bull/staff Blood

[p3d 879]

Sorry pic didn't turn out.

 

 

Fit looking terrier, credit to you for keeping him in great condition.

 

Probably asked already but what weight is he?

[pablo esc 1,598]

Sound pics and dogs, i didn't see him, in the first one, at 1st

[bryanm45 787]

No don't know how to photoshop.

[bryanm45 787]

Him about 10 weeks old.

 

6 Months old.

 

now just 12 months old. above pic and this one.

[tatty 101]

Has it got a lot of bull blood in it looks a nice dog .

[bryanm45 787]

 

Sorry pic didn't turn out.

 

Fit looking terrier, credit to you for keeping him in great condition.

 

Probably asked already but what weight is he?

 

Just over 13kg at about 15"tts

[p3d 879]

29 lbs a big dog.

Thanks for sharing fhe photos.

[bryanm45 787]

His weight is mostly muscle, he's very strong.

[dixiefried 269]

His weight is mostly muscle, he's very strong.

Do you think when " IT " Kicks in ! chasing Rabbits will be enough for him ?

[Glyn..... 5,208]

Glyn,

 

That is not the type of terrier being discussed with an obvious Bull influence.

That is a wire /rough coated Fell terrier, same root stock as the Lakeland and Border.

 

These dogs are around today, there is no indication of bull in this terrier.

 

The post is about Bull influence in terrier lines (EBT, PIt, or Staff).

 

Not sure what this photo adds to the post? Breay was dead when the staff was added to make the Patterdale IMO.

 

You would have to show a photo of Breay or Buck with a terrier with bull influence to prove that they added it to the line.

Showing anyone with THAT TERRIER TYPE on the end of the lead shows that they had NOT (Yet).

Staff type head 01.jpg

i made the post because you seem to be dismissing the blood lines that many of us have terriers bred down from as fictitious, and that these bloodline came from dogs bred since the 70-80s and that the black/brown strong terriers now called patterdales are bull crosses, as i have stated the lines with bull blood added are fairly well documented, but not all lines have this blood, although you have made some sweeping statements implying that these bloodlines are all bullshit i've bred a few with heavy heads and jaws but there is no staff in them just a few of your quotes

 

I think everyone with eyes in their head now knows that the black terriers were created with small Staff blood

 

It is a pity that the true history of these black dogs (and white dogs) will not be told

 

"That it is nearly impossible to see a photo of anyone before 1960 with these bully headed black smooth working dogs.

If they were as popular as some make out it should be easy to dig out a lot of evidence before 1960 with this type.

1950, 1940 etc....

"We must not forget the even more historic (1980) chocolate strain (smooth tight coats with bully heads).

These are decended from very old water spaniel dogs"

Edited April 16, 2014 by Glyn.....

[Hot Meat 3,109]

Have a look at that bradleys rip dog in fell terrier, that has got to have bull in it, and that was the ancestor off Buck and Breays dogs, smooth coat, big head and staffy like imo.

[Bosun11 537]

Glyn, I honestly think the true history of those black dogs will never be told.... Not now anyways....

 

HM, yep, seen that Bradleys Rip, if thats not out of bull stock i'll show me arse in Lewis's window!!

 

Some Borders of about the same time...

[Glyn..... 5,208]

no plummer said that bradleys rip was the ancestor of the breay/buck type they denied it

[Glyn..... 5,208]

Glyn, I honestly think the true history of those black dogs will never be told.... Not now anyways....

 

HM, yep, seen that Bradleys Rip, if thats not out of bull stock i'll show me arse in Lewis's window!!

your probably right but to say they are all cross up bull blood isn't right

[Hot Meat 3,109]

Chances are it was used at stud tho, and the photos show the type being around at that time surely??