Pups Throwing One Way Or Another.

[Tozer 385]

I saw the Saluki thread and I thought this is the best section to ask in.

 

Have you found pups through more to the dam than the sire? i.e collie/bull/whatever sire over the hound dam to get less litter wastage?

 

I haven't really thought about it before, but I read a thread on breeding Whirriers and it was suggesting mating the terrier to the whippet, mostly for the size of the pups.

 

I know from the handful of litters I have seen you do get more bitches that are like the dam, more dogs like the sire and a couple of genuine 50/50's.

 

Is this usually the case?

 

 

 

 

[nans pat 2,575]

all depends..i crossed a saluki lurcher to a wee whippet bitch.21tts.......3 pups 2 dogs 27tts 1 bitch 23tts.you just take your chances when you breed a litter.

[strongbow1 257]

I once got told "put the speed on top". Dont know how much truth there is in it tho.

[paulus 26]

got a dog here and i also have both his dam and sire, temperament and physically i can see both in him although he is bigger than both more resembling his grand-sire although some of that litter also threw to the sire and some the dam,

[Sirius 1,391]

All the genes go in to the pot and get melted down and the pups are a mix of each IMO

 

You can't predict the outcome by which way round the dog and bitch are bred is what I believe.

Edited March 19, 2014 by Sirius

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

All the genes go in to the pot and get melted down and the pups are a mix of each IMO

 

You can't predict the outcome by which way round the dog and bitch are bred is what I believe.

I went to look at a litter with a mate the other day.

 

Sire was a 31" half cross deerhound greyhound. Big, strong, rough coated dog as you can imagine.

 

The Dam was a 24" saluki/collie/grey. Smooth coated and racey. Couldn't really see any saluki in her. Looked like a 3/4 grey 1/4 collie or similar.

 

Two dog pups were broken coated, lightly built and looked like a cross between the 2 parents. As the breeder hoped for I imagine.

 

One bitch pup was massive with a back twice as wide as the others, obviously thrown to the deerhound.

 

And another bitch looked like a lemon and white coursing dog. Saluki ears, tail, feathering, very light frame.

 

It still amazes me how mixed some litters can throw.

[nans pat 2,575]

all depends..i crossed a saluki lurcher to a wee whippet bitch.21tts.......3 pups 2 dogs 27tts 1 bitch 23tts.you just take your chances when you breed a litter.

next time put a different saluki lurcher to the same whippet 8 pups this time 7 stayed like whippets..1 dog pup 25tts..

[Tozer 385]

It is a melting pot, but I wondered if it wasn't always too well mixed.

 

I can remember at the age of 6 my dad explaining to me that I need to keep his spaniel away from the the farm dogs because she was on heat... of course I wanted puppies and . And I would say they all took the coat of the merle collie and a definite type of stunted collie size with long ears- useless as working dogs also.

 

But the dog on the left caught by an Alsatian threw dogs that all looked like alsatian pups and bitches that looked like her.

I've never done a cross deliberately.

 

I read about 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation ... ... 1st crosses (collie for example) and I can only imagine somewhere along the line someone got a pup that could be entered into one man and his dog and someone else has got what looks to be pure grey?

 

 

I understand some of people put a lot of effort in line breeding, breeding worker to worker etc.

[Sirius 1,391]

Things will start to throw more even after 4 or 5 gens of careful breeding of say two breeds that for sure, but you will still get a throw backs or pups which lean more to past generation.

 

But I don't believe you can predict the outcome by which way round the the dog or bitch is bred. For instance a collie/grey : if the sire is a collie or the bitch they won't throw one way more.

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

The way to get a fairly level kind of result from crossbreed dogs (and in my own case, a preference for cur lurchers)...is to find the type of animal that you are satisfied with,..and obviously have a knowledge of his breeding,..and to cross him with a similarly bred type.

We did this many,...many,..years ago and ended up with a line of small hedgerow hunters and net guarders,..Useful rabbiting aids, that in reality, I should maybe have stuck with

I do believe you can produce level litters with look-a-like pups from crossbreeds,.but,.it takes time to establish that end result...

 

Unfortunately,.I don't have that time....

 

Edited March 20, 2014 by Phil Lloyd

[sandymere 8,263]

Unless you're breeding a type with continued crossing to type then its all in the lap of the gods, like throwing dice you have a limited number of options but almost unlimited possible outcomes.

[Tozer 385]

The way to get a fairly level kind of result from crossbreed dogs (and in my own case, a preference for cur lurchers)...is to find the type of animal that you are satisfied with,..and obviously have a knowledge of his breeding,..and to cross him with a similarly bred type.

We did this many,...many,..years ago and ended up with a line of small hedgerow hunters and net guarders,..Useful rabbiting aids, that in reality, I should maybe have stuck with

I do believe you can produce level litters with look-a-like pups from crossbreeds,.but,.it takes time to establish that end result...

 

Unfortunately,.I don't have that time....

 

 

Thanks for tge imput, I have always been interested in dog breeding, I think I've read enough not to think I can do a cross and get something better than everyone else.

 

I've got my terries now, but in 18 momths time those lurchers are exactly what I am going to try to find. I know looks don't matter but they look striking

[jeemes 4,485]

It all comes down to dominance of genes Tozer. Selection from crossbred litters is the key to getting the type you are after. Most people have sold the greater part of a litter before it really takes shape. I would suggest you keep back at least 3 of the pups from a litter that you think are in the region of what you want and grow them on a bit.

[Poacherspocket 189]

The way to get a fairly level kind of result from crossbreed dogs (and in my own case, a preference for cur lurchers)...is to find the type of animal that you are satisfied with,..and obviously have a knowledge of his breeding,..and to cross him with a similarly bred type.

We did this many,...many,..years ago and ended up with a line of small hedgerow hunters and net guarders,..Useful rabbiting aids, that in reality, I should maybe have stuck with

I do believe you can produce level litters with look-a-like pups from crossbreeds,.but,.it takes time to establish that end result...

 

Unfortunately,.I don't have that time....

 

Very nice dogs in the picture. Are they the dogs you mentioned? Very similar to my 5/8 bred greyhound whippet collie kelpie dog. 30 years worth of good breeding is in them and now they almost always turn out very similar to the 2 dogs in that picture. Specialist rabbit dogs. Theres a litter planned very soon as well if I didnt have my other bitch id definitely be putting my name forward for another.

[Poacherspocket 189]