Ideation 8,216 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 Well. . . . isn't this emotional. Just thought i'd throw in my tuppence worth. . . . . The shooting of hares on mass is always going to be an emotive subject. At the end of the day it's dressed up like a sporting day out, and i'm sure there are plenty that relish blasting over the big bunnys en masse. . . . . . but for most who have been around it, they realise that it's the over all organisation that is the challenge, rather than the actual killing. It's a cull. . . . no more, no less. There is a big difference in many ways, between culling hundreds every year, keeping the population largely as it is. . . . and this is mostly achieved due to the fact that the estate is well keepered, and the hares are pretty much untouched the rest of the year. . . . they breed and multiply, and then they are reduced en masse. . . . . and then build up again. It's part of the cycle of these big estates and has gone on for ever. Having said that. . . . it's really not my thing, and i have never in my life pulled the trigger on a hare. Now I carry a gun most days, and I work my dogs most days as well. The gun is an efficient tool. . . . . the dog is a somewhat less efficient tool at times . . . . but a damn site more enjoyable and on occasion is actually the more efficient of the two options. I suppose i've just never been able to grasp the 'pleasure' in shooting hares? I can understand the delight in dropping a really high, curling pheasant, or taking a wood cock as it jinks between the trees. But a driven hare??? Just don't see it. I'd rather run them with the dog. . . . and if they needed removing on masse. . . . rifle and lamp every time. The job is done, and it's done efficiently and out of the public view. Now one more interesting thing. . . . . i've met and inordinate amount of gun men who think coursing is highly cruel, and so is all running dog work. . . . . and think that sacking something with a shotgun after being driven across a field is less so? Just shows how much ignorance is on both sides. . . . I see just as many folk on both sides of the dog vs gun fence that I wouldn't piss on if on fire. . . . . . . 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nick3439 83 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 When I was growing up; my dad would have given me an absolute hiding if I'd shot a hare or jay when out rough shooting "It can't be a f*cking pest if you never see them!" Was what he used to say; his arguement is a valid one; just cos it's on a list doesn't mean it's ok everywhere; near me; I see more red kites than hares or jays. In fact; I can't remember the last time I saw a hare. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 The brown hares biggest friend was coursing under rules. The hare. Coursing took place a couple of times a year. The hares envirment was cared for farmers set aside land and planted suitible crops , Hare numbers were healthy , the hare as pulus say was and is under exstream pressure from modern farming methords , Hare drives are proof of healthy hare populations. Very little has been recorded about the brown hares. There lives in the main remain a mystery. Long may it be that way but understanding there needs and. Enviroment will safe gaurd there future. Out of controll buzzard , badger, fox, stoat weasel , populations. Threaten all ground dwelling Game. Management not bans. , a well keeperd estate well farmed. With. Grass and hedge rows promote. All ground dwellas. , Pest controll !!!!!! Maybe we need to drop that title. WILDLIFE and GAME MANAGMENT 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,216 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 We don't have a single hare on the estate I keeper on. . . . . which is a real shame, as we have some good land for it, and the pest control is well managed. I'd love to get a small population here, and manage them. . . . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 We don't have a single hare on the estate I keeper on. . . . . which is a real shame, as we have some good land for it, and the pest control is well managed. I'd love to get a small population here, and manage them. . . . so what's the reason your land has none and what would be your solution, all that and any changes needed would possibly take a couple of years to even get the stage of putting a single hare on the ground, take mallards the BTO have them down as amber due to there decline in Scotland`s coasts yet there has been a 200% increase in England and a 219% increase on inland waterways, something has triggered a change in there habits, unless the reasons why are understood then flooding Scotland`s coasts with mallard`s would be doomed to failure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,751 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 (edited) We don't have a single hare on the estate I keeper on. . . . . which is a real shame, as we have some good land for it, and the pest control is well managed. I'd love to get a small population here, and manage them. . . . Hotmeat has experience in hare relocation....... Edited March 18, 2014 by Born Hunter 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Meat 3,109 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 (edited) Just fookin shoot em an be done way the idea lol stupid skittish scabby b*****ds die a fright anyways lol anybody tried giving them tramadol???? Lol Edited March 18, 2014 by Hot Meat 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
J Darcy 5,871 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 They are easy to transport. If you make the correct boxes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 Just fookin shoot em an be done way the idea lol stupid skittish scabby b*****ds die a fright anyways lol anybody tried giving them tramadol???? Lol acp or bute is better Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Meat 3,109 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 They are easy to transport. If you make the correct boxes. Show me one please, my pigeon crates don't do job 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
J Darcy 5,871 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 They have to be singley kept, in the dark. Using partitions to keep them seperate. Sliding doors to get them in and a sliding door to get them out. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
perthshire keeper 1,239 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 perthshire keper.you and a lot of your kind are greedy selfish sob .i have known lots of keepers like you tight wads who want all of the estates hares and rabits for themselves thier arses squeak when they walk .if i had the money for a scottish estate the first thing to go would be people like you .like the early white man in america you think that your lands will be full of game for ever .you canott see any further than your bowl of cold porridge .you just keep on doffing your cap to your illuminatti masters .when your old and finished sitting in your wee bed then maybe just maybe the penny will drop .i hate shotguns and i absoulutely detest people like you who think they are conserveing the countryside while in some cases poisoining the birds of prey so that thier masters can have a couple of more braces of birds.you are just a glorefied chicken farmer .hares are for the course not for some fat useless overweight city trader who has to have the harers pushed towards the end of his shotgun barells.perthshire keeper ? .keeper of whaht every penny you can screw out of nature to put in your wee litttle piggy bank tell me dear boy? have you ever bought a real christmas tree? has any one on this thread ever bought a real christmass tree? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hot Meat 3,109 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 They were kept singly, in wicker racer crates, with hay in bottom. Iv searched google but can't find a pic, I'm sure iv seen some on YouTube a while ago but can't find clip now. Do they all live in purpose made crates? Or do you still get a few deaths ???? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
perthshire keeper 1,239 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 yes your honour mr x was caught in possesion of two hares and one lurcher dog.yes he is known to us .i think we should make a excample of him whaht whaht.ok how about 3 months in prison ? .cant you make it six ? after all we dont want him out and about at pheasant season .ok..oh by the way we are haveing a hare shoot tomorrow for the estate workers .same as last year about 650.oh no only 648.dont forget we had two poached .oh yes that reminds me i see that llyods and the halifax have had to be bailed out .oh no does thaht mean we will all have to go to prison for gambling with savers money ?.dont talk nonsense you must have realised by now we privatise the profits and socialise the losses .bloody good deal on those post office shares whaht whaht i can add those to the gas electric and telecom shares we stole at bargain prices.see you this weekend then ? oh no i wont be comeing this weekend.go to go to a dinner party to talk to someone about some insider tradeing tips tally ho pip pip whaht whaht Do you want some fish to with the pile of chips you seem to have on your shoulders? TC no he will just do his top button up to stop himself falling in half......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 yes your honour mr x was caught in possesion of two hares and one lurcher dog.yes he is known to us .i think we should make a excample of him whaht whaht.ok how about 3 months in prison ? .cant you make it six ? after all we dont want him out and about at pheasant season .ok..oh by the way we are haveing a hare shoot tomorrow for the estate workers .same as last year about 650.oh no only 648.dont forget we had two poached .oh yes that reminds me i see that llyods and the halifax have had to be bailed out .oh no does thaht mean we will all have to go to prison for gambling with savers money ?.dont talk nonsense you must have realised by now we privatise the profits and socialise the losses .bloody good deal on those post office shares whaht whaht i can add those to the gas electric and telecom shares we stole at bargain prices.see you this weekend then ? oh no i wont be comeing this weekend.go to go to a dinner party to talk to someone about some insider tradeing tips tally ho pip pip whaht whaht Do you want some fish to with the pile of chips you seem to have on your shoulders? TC no he will just do his top button up to stop himself falling in half......... i may have banned him due to the fact he is already a banned member under the username of blackgreyhound Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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