Terrier Inbreeding

[Blackdog92 2,047]

Far to close I think that's just straight inbreeding. You wouldn't have a child with your sister or brother would you.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

DOH

[AXUM 255]

Far to close I think that's just straight inbreeding. You wouldn't have a child with your sister or brother would you.

 

three groups that we know of required brother-sister marriages for their high nobility: the ancient Egyptians, the Incas of Peru, and the old kingdom of Hawaii (Beals and Hoijer 1965). Some groups also allow sex between fathers and daughters. The Thonga, a tribe in East Africa, permit a hunter to have sexual intercourse with his daughter before he goes on a lion hunt. And a tribe in Central Africa, the Azande, permit high nobles to marry their own daughters (LaBarre 1960).

 

http://wps.ablongman.com/ab_henslin_essentials_5/12/3197/818642.cw/index.html

[Blackdog92 2,047]

 

 

Far to close I think that's just straight inbreeding. You wouldn't have a child with your sister or brother would you.

three groups that we know of required brother-sister marriages for their high nobility: the ancient Egyptians, the Incas of Peru, and the old kingdom of Hawaii (Beals and Hoijer 1965). Some groups also allow sex between fathers and daughters. The Thonga, a tribe in East Africa, permit a hunter to have sexual intercourse with his daughter before he goes on a lion hunt. And a tribe in Central Africa, the Azande, permit high nobles to marry their own daughters (LaBarre 1960).

 

http://wps.ablongman.com/ab_henslin_essentials_5/12/3197/818642.cw/index.html

Still doesn't make it right though.

[AXUM 255]

 

 

Far to close I think that's just straight inbreeding. You wouldn't have a child with your sister or brother would you.

three groups that we know of required brother-sister marriages for their high nobility: the ancient Egyptians, the Incas of Peru, and the old kingdom of Hawaii (Beals and Hoijer 1965). Some groups also allow sex between fathers and daughters. The Thonga, a tribe in East Africa, permit a hunter to have sexual intercourse with his daughter before he goes on a lion hunt. And a tribe in Central Africa, the Azande, permit high nobles to marry their own daughters (LaBarre 1960).

 

http://wps.ablongman.com/ab_henslin_essentials_5/12/3197/818642.cw/index.html

Still doesn't make it right though.

 

 

what IS right.. or wrong. its not a natural laws obviously, its a man made law.. which makes it worng.. morals dependnt on your society.

 

in those old kingdoms it wasnt WRONG. its just morals.. thats all. it changes with time. but natural laws stays.

[DEERMAN 1,020]

 

 

 

Far to close I think that's just straight inbreeding. You wouldn't have a child with your sister or brother would you.

three groups that we know of required brother-sister marriages for their high nobility: the ancient Egyptians, the Incas of Peru, and the old kingdom of Hawaii (Beals and Hoijer 1965). Some groups also allow sex between fathers and daughters. The Thonga, a tribe in East Africa, permit a hunter to have sexual intercourse with his daughter before he goes on a lion hunt. And a tribe in Central Africa, the Azande, permit high nobles to marry their own daughters (LaBarre 1960).

 

http://wps.ablongman.com/ab_henslin_essentials_5/12/3197/818642.cw/index.html

Still doesn't make it right though.

 

 

what IS right.. or wrong. its not a natural laws obviously, its a man made law.. which makes it worng.. morals dependnt on your society.

 

in those old kingdoms it wasnt WRONG. its just morals.. thats all. it changes with time. but natural laws stays.

 

Are you Muslim mate ? :laugh:

[tinytiger 840]

 

Far to close I think that's just straight inbreeding. You wouldn't have a child with your sister or brother would you.

 

three groups that we know of required brother-sister marriages for their high nobility: the ancient Egyptians, the Incas of Peru, and the old kingdom of Hawaii (Beals and Hoijer 1965). Some groups also allow sex between fathers and daughters. The Thonga, a tribe in East Africa, permit a hunter to have sexual intercourse with his daughter before he goes on a lion hunt. And a tribe in Central Africa, the Azande, permit high nobles to marry their own daughters (LaBarre 1960).

 

http://wps.ablongman.com/ab_henslin_essentials_5/12/3197/818642.cw/index.html

 

i think cleopatra had only 6 great great grandparents(rather than 16)-then again she was inbred to alexander the greats half brother..in the village my mothers from there was a family of 6 that a brother and sister had-only one of them turned out a mong but none of them lived past 50

[marshman 7,758]

 

 

 

 

Far to close I think that's just straight inbreeding. You wouldn't have a child with your sister or brother would you.

three groups that we know of required brother-sister marriages for their high nobility: the ancient Egyptians, the Incas of Peru, and the old kingdom of Hawaii (Beals and Hoijer 1965). Some groups also allow sex between fathers and daughters. The Thonga, a tribe in East Africa, permit a hunter to have sexual intercourse with his daughter before he goes on a lion hunt. And a tribe in Central Africa, the Azande, permit high nobles to marry their own daughters (LaBarre 1960).

 

http://wps.ablongman.com/ab_henslin_essentials_5/12/3197/818642.cw/index.html

i think cleopatra had only 6 great great grandparents(rather than 16)-then again she was inbred to alexander the greats half brother..in the village my mothers from there was a family of 6 that a brother and sister had-only one of them turned out a mong but none of them lived past 50

was that village called Sixtoes ? ?

[fox digger 1,086]

a dog put to an unrelated bitch, sibling gets 50% of its genes from the sire, 50% genes from the dam, pup is 50% from both parents. i.e a half cross.

 

breed litter mates from the above litter, (full brother to full sister) they have on paper 100% the same genes, i.e. 100% genes to 100% same genes,

 

father daughter mating isnt as close, the daughter will only have 50% of her fathers genes so the pups from father x daughter should in theory have 75% of the fathers/grandfaters genes and 25% of their grandmothers. 3/4 bred

 

breeding of this nature is fine but when the same genes are in both parents faults are multiplied. a small gene flaw in each parent will be multiplied when mated as they have the same genes and same flaw, flaws or faults may only be obvious in the pups from brother to sister as the flaws were too small to be noticed in the parents.

 

if there are no real obvious bad traits or characteristics in either the brother or sister the mating will in theory result in typey semi predictable offspring.

 

that is my theory/experience on it and it could be wrong,

[neil cooney 10,416]

Inbreeding is quiet natural in a lot of species.

When you see a red stag with his harem are you telling me that some of those hinds are not his daughters or even grand daughters.

It's a known fact that most badgers killed on the road are killed in the Autumn and the majority of those killed are young males driven out of the sette by the dominant sow. She doesn't drive the young sows out, only the young males leaving the older males. Nature has it's own ways of ensuring new blood comes along ie. eventually the breeding stag will loose out to a new comer but inbreeding is very common in a lot of wild animals.

The difference with domestic animals is that we should control the inbreeding, but it does work.

The fact it works is there for anyone to see.

Frankle, the highest rated racehorse in the world is inbred on Danehill Dancer. If I remember correctly Frankles father on his dams side and his grand father on his sires side are the same horse. In fact every single race horse in the world can be traced back to one of three stallions.

It's proven that every single greyhound in the world has Fullerton in his pedigree. Fullerton was around in the mid 1800s so we can assume that most greyhounds have Fullerton in their pedigrees hundreds of time.

I read an article in Hounds magazine a while back that said that a lot of todays Foxhound lines can be traced back to one stallion hound that was very popular in the last century and that some hounds alive today have this Stallion hounds blood in them 360 times.

When the Plott family moved from Germany to America and bred the famous Plott hound it's reckoned they didn't outcross for years. The Plott family are still breeding the same family of hounds today.

Now that's all long ago but closer to home.

I believe that most of our Black Terriers have Mr Breays Rusty and / or Wally Wyldes Kipper in them. Two terriers who were brothers and were around (if I remember correctly) in the late 60s, early 70s.

I have one terrier on my yard who has Rusty over 40 times in her pedigree and you can bet that there's much more inbred lines on those dogs than mine.

Inbreeding does work and when done correctly by a man with a good stockmans eye who knows how to cull and keep them right it is one of the reasons certain breeders, whether its horses, chickens, dogs, rise to top of their game and leave those behind them with some good stock to work with.

It's JMHO but inbreeding is there for all to see as being a recipe for success.

[s.e.s.k.u 1,893]

Good post neil cooney. .

[stormyboy 1,352]

Good post neil cooney. .

 

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Eloquently put sir

[AXUM 255]

im voting neil cooney for presidency

[Mosby 355]

Good post Neil. The rest of you folks might do well to leave thinking to more developed minds lol.