foxtails 272 Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 can not stand this fcuking cruelty, barbaric to say the least the fcuking wankers, iv been sooooo angry absolutly fuming for years over this subject, cruel as feck ! :censored: 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,261 Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 can not stand this fcuking cruelty, barbaric to say the least the fcuking wankers, iv been sooooo angry absolutly fuming for years over this subject, cruel as feck ! :censored: Why? It's no different to delivering the coup de grace to a dog caught deer imo 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 can not stand this fcuking cruelty, barbaric to say the least the fcuking wankers, iv been sooooo angry absolutly fuming for years over this subject, cruel as feck ! :censored: Why? It's no different to delivering the coup de grace to a dog caught deer imo but is it one is a singular thing requiring an instant response based on necessity the other is a factory decision. both are poles apart Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,261 Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 can not stand this fcuking cruelty, barbaric to say the least the fcuking wankers, iv been sooooo angry absolutly fuming for years over this subject, cruel as feck ! :censored: Why? It's no different to delivering the coup de grace to a dog caught deer imo but is it one is a singular thing requiring an instant response based on necessity the other is a factory decision. both are poles apart :laugh: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 neither its a case of an accepted industry standard on a slaughter method that is considered to be humane in the UK, being adhered to by all abattoirs whether they be halal or not. don't forget not all halal is killed un stunned, this also goes for kosha, its an animal welfare issue and best practice should be enforced across the industry, So what would be the best industrial practice for slaughter? Stunned or not? We are literally killing hundreds of thousands of animals for the table. I have no issue with that. As the demand increases so will the process. Techonology will ensure that it's cost are kept to a minimum. Humane slaughter is an oxymoron, though. Dead is dead. Are we getting hung up on what constitutes unneccessary suffering? Or does it just piss some people off that there is a ritual that goes along with it? I'm not calling anyone out, far from it, but someone mentioned (baw?) that the labelling of halal meat would give consumers the option to boycott it? Good plan. If the demand is low no one will provide it. Best practice dictates the quickest method but we've all been around long enough to know that one size doesn't fit all and regardless of the outcome I'd like to see animals that have had a fairly decent standard of living over the alternative. The outcome is still the same though. If my steak was killed in the name of the devil, I'm alright with that if it sears well and holds a warm pink centre. I have two main issues with it. The first is as Paulus has suggested, there should be one rule across the board that works to a best practice. The second is that I personally find it abhorrent for an animals death to be made less humane due to someone's religious beliefs, not down to a circumstance of location or equipment but for the very simple reason of someone's religion. It has been stated on here that the reason these rules were created was all about food spoiling in hot countries and that is correct, why allow a religious belief to extend an animals suffering for no other reason than religious freedom. Any civilised country should allow freedom of religion but needs to limit the extremes of that freedom. Orthodox religion is nothing new. I compare to religion to music and religious people to musicians. A musician who can read music and understands music can ad lib, play free jaz and dosen't need a written page to express themselves. They truly understand the science of music. Religion is similar in that if someone really understands their religion they realise that the written word is very old now and written in times long gone but the spirit of the religion can be current. The spirit of the religion is just as important as the written word and now to my point, Halal and Kosha is to stop meat spoiling in hot countries and was written down a long time ago but that was then and the world was different, is it really in the spirit of these religions to unneccassarily cause the suffering of any animal, I would like to think not. My understanding of the Islamic and Jewish slaughter is that it's simply an offering to the divine. My views on dusty old religious rhetoric are pretty common knowledge, on the forum, so I hope that no one thinks I'm pandering to a given faith. I agree with you about not causing unneccessary suffering but I don't understand is how this form of slaughter is anymore savage than the alternative. Dead is dead. The practice of slitting the throat and cartoid artery is practiced all the way across the world today and transcends the wants of the two mentioned faiths. I've personally witnessed it (same method but not Islamic... Native American) and I haven't seen any more suffering than I've seen in any other form of hunting. I've also witnessed the industrial, non-Halal, processing of chicken. On a mechanised conveyor. Live crates, right through to the supermarket packaging. I prefer the former over the latter. I agree with your point on religious freedoms, and not pandering to extremism but I'm not looking at this in a purely religious context, only as a method of dispatch. Nothing more. I feel the the wholesale industrial slaughter is where unneccessary part, of suffering, comes into play. Demand and supply are no respecter of rights. Costs are kept low and standards suffer. I don't see how that could ever benefit animal welfare but it sure is tasty grilled over a fire, with some sauteed onions and mushrooms. If someone wishes to say a prayer to the divine, whilst carrying out the dispatch who am I to say it's right or wrong when someone chooses to procure meat for the table? Prayer isn't for me, but whatever helps people be content with life isn't my business. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 i strongly believe that the basis of religious beliefs was an instruction manual on how to survive at the time it was written and an attempt at building a society . now fast forward a thousand years or so and parts of it are no longer relevant in today's society. this is the same for all religions and its what along with reading what you want to see in chapters from the book and you get the foundation of what we call extremism. any religion that does not reflect the changes in society is just going to hold back humankind's advancement .Amen to that at the time of typing that i must look like i work at a slaughter house, i am covered in blood after having to gaffer tape a shit house roll on the dogs tail after i shut it in the van door Ouch. Aye, every wag and it'll burst open. I had a dog that burst it's tail on barbed wire, f***ing nightmare. I hope in true THL fashion you took it to the vet 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bosun11 537 Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 i strongly believe that the basis of religious beliefs was an instruction manual on how to survive at the time it was written and an attempt at building a society . now fast forward a thousand years or so and parts of it are no longer relevant in today's society. this is the same for all religions and its what along with reading what you want to see in chapters from the book and you get the foundation of what we call extremism. any religion that does not reflect the changes in society is just going to hold back humankind's advancement .Amen to that at the time of typing that i must look like i work at a slaughter house, i am covered in blood after having to gaffer tape a shit house roll on the dogs tail after i shut it in the van door Ouch. Aye, every wag and it'll burst open. I had a dog that burst it's tail on barbed wire, f*****g nightmare. I hope in true THL fashion you took it to the vet It's the fact that he left all the paper on the bog roll that I can't believe..!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 i strongly believe that the basis of religious beliefs was an instruction manual on how to survive at the time it was written and an attempt at building a society . now fast forward a thousand years or so and parts of it are no longer relevant in today's society. this is the same for all religions and its what along with reading what you want to see in chapters from the book and you get the foundation of what we call extremism. any religion that does not reflect the changes in society is just going to hold back humankind's advancement .Amen to that at the time of typing that i must look like i work at a slaughter house, i am covered in blood after having to gaffer tape a shit house roll on the dogs tail after i shut it in the van door Ouch. Aye, every wag and it'll burst open. I had a dog that burst it's tail on barbed wire, f*****g nightmare. I hope in true THL fashion you took it to the vet It's the fact that he left all the paper on the bog roll that I can't believe..!! good ideal that, tail through the hole in the middle, act as a cushion when it starts banging it off everything and if he jams it in the door again Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 i strongly believe that the basis of religious beliefs was an instruction manual on how to survive at the time it was written and an attempt at building a society . now fast forward a thousand years or so and parts of it are no longer relevant in today's society. this is the same for all religions and its what along with reading what you want to see in chapters from the book and you get the foundation of what we call extremism. any religion that does not reflect the changes in society is just going to hold back humankind's advancement .Amen to that at the time of typing that i must look like i work at a slaughter house, i am covered in blood after having to gaffer tape a shit house roll on the dogs tail after i shut it in the van door Ouch. Aye, every wag and it'll burst open. I had a dog that burst it's tail on barbed wire, f*****g nightmare. I hope in true THL fashion you took it to the vet It's the fact that he left all the paper on the bog roll that I can't believe..!! Aye you may laugh but when your in a field at 2 in the morning bursting for a shite you'll be glad he's there....lol 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bosun11 537 Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 i strongly believe that the basis of religious beliefs was an instruction manual on how to survive at the time it was written and an attempt at building a society . now fast forward a thousand years or so and parts of it are no longer relevant in today's society. this is the same for all religions and its what along with reading what you want to see in chapters from the book and you get the foundation of what we call extremism. any religion that does not reflect the changes in society is just going to hold back humankind's advancement .Amen to that at the time of typing that i must look like i work at a slaughter house, i am covered in blood after having to gaffer tape a shit house roll on the dogs tail after i shut it in the van door Ouch. Aye, every wag and it'll burst open. I had a dog that burst it's tail on barbed wire, f*****g nightmare. I hope in true THL fashion you took it to the vet It's the fact that he left all the paper on the bog roll that I can't believe..!! Aye you may laugh but when your in a field at 2 in the morning bursting for a shite you'll be glad he's there....lol Yep, feck the St Bernard off with the brandy, here's the Lurcher with the triple velvet... Ahhh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 you lot write some shite the b*****d chewed it off in the night, more gaffer tape required Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 you lot write some shite the b*****d chewed it off in the night, more gaffer tape required Chewed its tail off and your gonna use gaffer tape!!! I'm all for DIY vets but f**k me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 you lot write some shite the b*****d chewed it off in the night, more gaffer tape required Chewed its tail off and your gonna use gaffer tape!!! I'm all for DIY vets but f**k me it has multiple uses mate everyone should have a roll in their first aid cupboard Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 you lot write some shite the b*****d chewed it off in the night, more gaffer tape required Chewed its tail off and your gonna use gaffer tape!!! I'm all for DIY vets but f**k me it has multiple uses mate everyone should have a roll in their first aid cupboard Totally agree mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted March 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 you lot write some shite the b*****d chewed it off in the night, more gaffer tape required Chewed its tail off and your gonna use gaffer tape!!! I'm all for DIY vets but f**k me it has multiple uses mate everyone should have a roll in their first aid cupboard Totally agree mate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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