Countryfile Report On Halal And Kosha Meat

[Bosun11 537]

As I've said before, I don't have a problem with Halal slaughter, never have and agree both Lab and Walshie's points.

 

What I do have a problem with is double standards set by Government and subsequently followed by the media and rspca.

[paulus 26]

As I've said before, I don't have a problem with Halal slaughter, never have and agree both Lab and Walshie's points.

 

What I do have a problem with is double standards set by Government and subsequently followed by the media and rspca.

finally somebody gets it

[paulus 26]

this is a clear case of the government giving in to minority pressure and the issues it causes in our society by doing so, if they had of just said no, our industry standard is to stun prior to slaughter and that's that, then this whole mess of halal/religious/racist and what ever else might have been avoided. the same for face veils.banks and what ever other appeasements have been made,

[socks 32,253]

 

I think people are missing the point. Just because a method of killing is more humane than another, doesn't make it humane in itself.

Is it humane to shoot something then mate? I'd hate to go down the humane route for Halal for it to be banned and then them to turn on shooting and ask for that to be banned.

As I've said I see no 'cruelty'.....maybe not best practice but not 'cruelty' in my eyes.

Lab there is a world of difference in an instant kill by being shot and the 30+ seconds it takes to die having your throat slit ... And believe me there is no pain free method of slitting a throat .......

[bird 10,004]

I think people are missing the point. Just because a method of killing is more humane than another, doesn't make it humane in itself.

 

 

100% right, the bottom line a animal going to be killed in a slaughter house etc, and you either stun it to kill it, or you don't. And kill it with out stunning it 1st for religious crap is down right cruel , anybody in there right mind know that. this nothing to do with hunting , its killing a animal (not) humane when it could be killed humane, its not rocket science is it. And yes ive worked in a slaughter house , so I do know what I am on about.The sheep pigs,cattle know whats going to happen , there can smell the blood , even if your hosing down all the while.My job was hoist them up after the after they been stunned , for the slaughter man to kill.So ive seen at very close quarters , and believe me they would 100% rather be knocked out 1st , then have there neck slit , its being feckin cruel forget all this bullshit that being said on here or the telly or papers

[clipo 871]

Its a strange one....i dont like the idea of lamb being slaughtered in that way but when its just meat covered in spices and yogurt, put on a skewer and cooked in the tandoori oven it tastes so dam good i couldnt care if it was killed by allah himself

 

It is a brutal way to kill animals tho but lets not pretend all other animals die in ideal circumstances, sure we have all seen an animal shot and found minutes later still alive, few vids on youtube of bolt guns going wrong and then of course the mindless cruelty thats dished out to animals all over the world each day, the list goes on and on!!!

 

One thing that is wrong tho is selling it at schools, footie grounds, supermarkets etc without telling people its the UK and should be standard to sell normal meat with halal meat an added option...but then again if you have esten anything made by findus youve probably eaten horse meat lol so its not just halal meat you gotta worry about

Edited March 11, 2014 by clipo

[skycat 6,174]

Which illustrates the point that it is not the moment of death itself that makes killing inhumane, rather, the moments leading up to that death. I was in Morocco many years ago and there was a traditional festival which led every household to get its own sheep, which was killed by a drain in the back yard. The family I was staying with were very careful to observe the ritual of giving salt and food to the sheep seconds before its death, which never bleated or struggled at all as it died. The killing was very calmly carried out.

the fear that the animals feel in slaughter houses greatly exacerbates their pain and suffering. In an ideal world, all animals would be killed where they are reared with a minimum of noise. That video earlier shows exactly how it should happen, never mind the religious aspects, the care of the animals and their well being was paramount.

[jasher 55]

 

I think people are missing the point. Just because a method of killing is more humane than another, doesn't make it humane in itself.

Is it humane to shoot something then mate? I'd hate to go down the humane route for Halal for it to be banned and then them to turn on shooting and ask for that to be banned.

As I've said I see no 'cruelty'.....maybe not best practice but not 'cruelty' in my eyes.

 

 

Have to agree, also someone mentioned the ban in denmark however all the articles I've seen quote that this was for "Animal Rights"...I'm all for "Animal Welfare" however we all know the nut jobs and extremes that they go to for "Animal Rights"...A dangerous precedent to be set for "Animal Rights" purposes besause as you've pointed out they would then soon be after shooting..fishing..etc...

I understand peoples views on Halal etc as I also find it distasteful..however I lot of people find hunting shooting etc. distasteful BUT because that is their view I don't expect it to be forced on me. but cruelty by cutting throat....what method of dispatch did we use when running deer pre ban..if anything the issue of slaughter houses be that stunned or not...animals waiting on mass to be slaughtered is more an issue but unless we go back to local smaller slaughter houses and change the whole approach then it's the way it is.

JMO

 

Edited to add: I hadn't seen your post when I was typing this Skycat but that was the point I was trying to make regarding the time prior to the actual slaughter rather than the method used.

Edited March 11, 2014 by jasher

[Born Hunter 17,824]

Whether or not an act is subjectively termed 'humane' depends on the context/situation far more than the actual act itself.

 

For instance, it would widely be considered inhumane to smother an infant in their sleep...... however in the context of that poor infant being trapped in a burning building and moments from horrendously burning to death I think it would widely be considered an act of compassion and humane to smother the infant in their sleep. An aweful example but to the point.

 

Likewise with slaughtering an animal. In the situation of a slaughter house a more humane method of slaughter could be employed with no practical reasons not to, only religious. The dilemma I have with this is that I have no ethical dispute with hunting boar or deer etc with dogs using a knife for dispatch with the only justification being sport born through a deeply ingrained human tradition of hunting.

 

So how can I then condemn the practice of Hallal and Kosher slaughter purely because it is foreign to my culture?

 

I can't help but think that this is more of a symbolic stand against the British feeling of being 'invaded' by alien cultures and loosing our own....

[bird 10,004]

 

 

I think people are missing the point. Just because a method of killing is more humane than another, doesn't make it humane in itself.

Is it humane to shoot something then mate? I'd hate to go down the humane route for Halal for it to be banned and then them to turn on shooting and ask for that to be banned.

As I've said I see no 'cruelty'.....maybe not best practice but not 'cruelty' in my eyes.

 

 

Have to agree, also someone mentioned the ban in denmark however all the articles I've seen quote that this was for "Animal Rights"...I'm all for "Animal Welfare" however we all know the nut jobs and extremes that they go to for "Animal Rights"...A dangerous precedent to be set for "Animal Rights" purposes besause as you've pointed out they would then soon be after shooting..fishing..etc...

I understand peoples views on Halal etc as I also find it distasteful..however I lot of people find hunting shooting etc. distasteful BUT because that is their view I don't expect it to be forced on me. but cruelty by cutting throat....what method of dispatch did we use when running deer pre ban..if anything the issue of slaughter houses be that stunned or not...animals waiting on mass to be slaughtered is more an issue but unless we go back to local smaller slaughter houses and change the whole approach then it's the way it is.

JMO

 

Edited to add: I hadn't seen your post when I was typing this Skycat but that was the point I was trying to make regarding the time prior to the actual slaughter rather than the method used.

 

as said this (nothing) to do with hunting , its killing a animal that can be killed humane or not , and it been killed (not) humane ,read my thread ive seen animals killed every day, and take it from me they know there going to die, why prolong it ,when the can be stunned 1st its just feckin cruel no other word for it

[baw 4,360]

So in conclusion.......... The rspca have got it right. Most folk think it should be labeled halal so we can chose. I think as hunters we can't start pointing the finger at how animals are dispatched as long as there is no cruelty involved. I know anytime I've visited slaughter houses I've felt more for the animals who are waiting there death than the ones getting killed at the time. If we can smell death you can sure as f**k know they can.

[jasher 55]

 

 

 

I think people are missing the point. Just because a method of killing is more humane than another, doesn't make it humane in itself.

Is it humane to shoot something then mate? I'd hate to go down the humane route for Halal for it to be banned and then them to turn on shooting and ask for that to be banned.

As I've said I see no 'cruelty'.....maybe not best practice but not 'cruelty' in my eyes.

 

 

Have to agree, also someone mentioned the ban in denmark however all the articles I've seen quote that this was for "Animal Rights"...I'm all for "Animal Welfare" however we all know the nut jobs and extremes that they go to for "Animal Rights"...A dangerous precedent to be set for "Animal Rights" purposes besause as you've pointed out they would then soon be after shooting..fishing..etc...

I understand peoples views on Halal etc as I also find it distasteful..however I lot of people find hunting shooting etc. distasteful BUT because that is their view I don't expect it to be forced on me. but cruelty by cutting throat....what method of dispatch did we use when running deer pre ban..if anything the issue of slaughter houses be that stunned or not...animals waiting on mass to be slaughtered is more an issue but unless we go back to local smaller slaughter houses and change the whole approach then it's the way it is.

JMO

 

Edited to add: I hadn't seen your post when I was typing this Skycat but that was the point I was trying to make regarding the time prior to the actual slaughter rather than the method used.

 

as said this (nothing) to do with hunting , its killing a animal that can be killed humane or not , and it been killed (not) humane ,read my thread ive seen animals killed every day, and take it from me they know there going to die, why prolong it ,when the can be stunned 1st its just feckin cruel no other word for it

 

 

And read mine...the point I was making is for me (JMO) that the time prior to slaughter rather than the method is more traumatic to the animal as you've said waiting on mass they know they're going to die.

[bird 10,004]

So in conclusion.......... The rspca have got it right. Most folk think it should be labeled halal so we can chose. I think as hunters we can't start pointing the finger at how animals are dispatched as long as there is no cruelty involved. I know anytime I've visited slaughter houses I've felt more for the animals who are waiting there death than the ones getting killed at the time. If we can smell death you can sure as f**k know they can.

that's it baw, your right , there no point what so ever making a comparison to hunting , because there is a option to stun a animal before death, you don't always have that option when hunting, so why make the comparison.? its cruel mate ive seen it day in day out ,when I worked in a slaughter house why people think its not , the animals are shit scared so why feckin prolong it . when you have the choice .

[baw 4,360]

I think skycat raises a good point with here story in morocco. Probably in halal countries the animal is killed in its own surroundings, peacefully. It's when you take it to mass production that we have over here the problems start. I don't see it as a big deal to be honest. Transportation is probably worse and what about veal calfs? Now that's f***ing cruelty.

[baw 4,360]

 

 

So in conclusion.......... The rspca have got it right. Most folk think it should be labeled halal so we can chose. I think as hunters we can't start pointing the finger at how animals are dispatched as long as there is no cruelty involved. I know anytime I've visited slaughter houses I've felt more for the animals who are waiting there death than the ones getting killed at the time. If we can smell death you can sure as f**k know they can.

that's it baw, your right , there no point what so ever making a comparison to hunting , because there is a option to stun a animal before death, you don't always have that option when hunting, so why make the comparison.? its cruel mate ive seen it day in day out ,when I worked in a slaughter house why people think its not , the animals are shit scared so why feckin prolong it . when you have the choice .

Traditions mate. We all love to keep our Christian traditions, why can't they? It's ok saying, well let them have there own slaughter houses then. Slaughter houses are private business trying to make a living. No way are they going to turn down good money just cause someone finds it crueler than another method. Wasn't that long ago there was a thread on here regarding a butcher getting threats because he had whole animals in the window. You guys were giving it, f***ing where do they think meat comes from blah blah. Now we are up in arms cos an animal gets its throat cut but not stunned. It's just the way it is I'm afraid.