Countryfile Report On Halal And Kosha Meat

[The one 8,511]

It could be considered humane it depends if you tell anybody or just do it

[paulus 26]

It could be considered humane it depends if you tell anybody or just do it

but they do tell everyone they do it so it must be humane so why would anyone else not want to tell anyone

[The one 8,511]

Right youve got a rifle ?. You go out ? you shoot a deer its in it death throes when you get there do you shot it again or bleed it ?>

[paulus 26]

Right youve got a rifle ?. You go out ? you shoot a deer its in it death throes when you get there do you shot it again or bleed it ?>

thats the question im trying to get an answer to

[Outlaw Pete 2,224]

so ... ..is killing an animal by slitting its throat humane or not ..... why we stun them in the name of humane slaughter

 

 

Personally? I think it's more circumstantial than black and white.

 

In a 'wild' and raw situation, severing the carotid is better than beating it to death with a stick. But, given the means and opportunity? By all means stun.

 

Remember when poor Jigsaw had a Dog smash its leg, on the mountain? Fortunately, he was carrying a centrefire rifle and did the decent thing, under the circumstances.

 

Is tying an unwanted Dog to a post and shooting it okay? I'd say not.

 

Normal people stun before slaughter. That's as good as we can make it. We try to make it the least bad because we're human and ~ usually ~ humane.

 

Those filthy savages have exactly the same opportunity. They just don't give a f**k and so let shit die, thrashing around and trying to scream. Because they're Sub Human.

[walshie 2,804]

They HAVE to tell everyone they do it as it's advertised in all their shops. Doesn't make it humane. It might only take a few seconds to bleed out, but it must be better to be stunned while it's happening.

 

Muslims and Jews might find non-Halal meat offensive, but I find Halal meat equally offensive.

[paulus 26]

 

so ... ..is killing an animal by slitting its throat humane or not ..... why we stun them in the name of humane slaughter

 

 

Personally? I think it's more circumstantial than black and white.

 

In a 'wild' and raw situation, severing the carotid is better than beating it to death with a stick. But, given the means and opportunity? By all means stun.

 

Remember when poor Jigsaw had a Dog smash its leg, on the mountain? Fortunately, he was carrying a centrefire rifle and did the decent thing, under the circumstances.

 

Is tying an unwanted Dog to a post and shooting it okay? I'd say not.

 

Normal people stun before slaughter. That's as good as we can make it. We try to make it the least bad because we're human and ~ usually ~ humane.

 

Those filthy savages have exactly the same opportunity. They just don't give a f**k and so let shit die, thrashing around and trying to scream. Because they're Sub Human.

 

but ultimately is there a difference

 

and if stunning is the accepted normal on the grounds of being humane how can not stunning also be humane as seems to be the case

[paulus 26]

They HAVE to tell everyone they do it as it's advertised in all their shops. Doesn't make it humane. It might only take a few seconds to bleed out, but it must be better to be stunned while it's happening.

 

Muslims and Jews might find non-Halal meat offensive, but I find Halal meat equally offensive.

but according to countryfile over % of halal meat is stunned prior to slaughter

[walshie 2,804]

 

They HAVE to tell everyone they do it as it's advertised in all their shops. Doesn't make it humane. It might only take a few seconds to bleed out, but it must be better to be stunned while it's happening.

 

Muslims and Jews might find non-Halal meat offensive, but I find Halal meat equally offensive.

but according to countryfile over % of halal meat is stunned prior to slaughter

 

 

So the Muslim they asked said, yes. And if saying a prayer while slaughtering in the "normal" way makes it Halal, then so be it. But he also mentioned the hardcore Muslims who insisted that the animals were conscious to hear the prayer. Assuming they speak Arabic. Can you really believe the stun some, and not others to cater for their religion? I don't.

 

What they do and say on TV and what they do behind closed doors i suspect are very different.

[paulus 26]

 

 

They HAVE to tell everyone they do it as it's advertised in all their shops. Doesn't make it humane. It might only take a few seconds to bleed out, but it must be better to be stunned while it's happening.

 

Muslims and Jews might find non-Halal meat offensive, but I find Halal meat equally offensive.

but according to countryfile over % of halal meat is stunned prior to slaughter

 

 

So the Muslim they asked said, yes. And if saying a prayer while slaughtering in the "normal" way makes it Halal, then so be it. But he also mentioned the hardcore Muslims who insisted that the animals were conscious to hear the prayer. Assuming they speak Arabic. Can you really believe the stun some, and not others to cater for their religion? I don't.

 

What they do and say on TV and what they do behind closed doors i suspect are very different.

 

but the point is it can not be both humane to stun and humane not to stun surely as it begs the question why are we stunning on the grounds of a humane slaughter in the first place

[walshie 2,804]

 

 

 

They HAVE to tell everyone they do it as it's advertised in all their shops. Doesn't make it humane. It might only take a few seconds to bleed out, but it must be better to be stunned while it's happening.

 

Muslims and Jews might find non-Halal meat offensive, but I find Halal meat equally offensive.

but according to countryfile over % of halal meat is stunned prior to slaughter

 

 

So the Muslim they asked said, yes. And if saying a prayer while slaughtering in the "normal" way makes it Halal, then so be it. But he also mentioned the hardcore Muslims who insisted that the animals were conscious to hear the prayer. Assuming they speak Arabic. Can you really believe the stun some, and not others to cater for their religion? I don't.

 

What they do and say on TV and what they do behind closed doors i suspect are very different.

 

but the point is it can not be both humane to stun and humane not to stun surely as it begs the question why are we stunning on the grounds of a humane slaughter in the first place

 

 

IMO without stunning it isn't humane. Simple.

 

The Muslims and Jews are against stunning itself, they just want the animal to be conscious and know exactly what's happening. If I had to have my throat slit and I had the option of being stunned or not, I know what I'd take.

[Outlaw Pete 2,224]

 

given the means and opportunity? By all means stun.

 

Remember when poor Jigsaw had a Dog smash its leg, on the mountain? Fortunately, he was carrying a centrefire rifle and did the decent thing, under the circumstances.

 

Is tying an unwanted Dog to a post and shooting it okay? I'd say not.

but ultimately is there a difference

 

 

Obviously, yes. " Opportunity ".

[paulus 26]

 

 

given the means and opportunity? By all means stun.

 

Remember when poor Jigsaw had a Dog smash its leg, on the mountain? Fortunately, he was carrying a centrefire rifle and did the decent thing, under the circumstances.

 

Is tying an unwanted Dog to a post and shooting it okay? I'd say not.

but ultimately is there a difference

 

 

Obviously, yes. " Opportunity ".

 

but on the grounds of a humane ending what's the difference, that dog may well go on to a life worse than death and then would not shooting it would be in humane

[Outlaw Pete 2,224]

but on the grounds of a humane ending what's the difference, that dog may well go on to a life worse than death and then would not shooting it would be in humane

 

Okay. Well this shift clearly shows that you're either A/ Burbling. Or B/ Just asking stuff to prolong the thread. Either way, you're going right off on a tangent.

 

Now, I'll leave ye to it. I don't feel I've anything left to add to the original point anyway. And I want to catch up with some more of " Ashes To Ashes "

[pie-eater 377]

Halal and kosher should both be banned including import imo. If the muslims or the jews don't like it feel free to leave simples. Take a look at the link in my sig.