Crufts

[Sirius 1,391]

 

 

21 inches in Dogs appears a popular height in Whippets

in whippets it may well be but the working whippets studs are getting up to 23" amazingly

Y.I.S Leeview

Sadly many of the so called working whippets are going that way., same as many overseas dogs. A good whippet IMO should be the correct size 20.5 tts maximum otherwise it becomes a bastardised greyhound.

 

I do get what people are saying about many breeds, but it's also amazing how many breeds are still worked and shown by a dedicated few and good on them for keeping these breeds alive.

It's all too easy to slag off kc registered dogs but I have respect for many people who truly have a breeds future at heart and devote much of there time in doing so.

Edited March 11, 2014 by Sirius

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like i said a parade of mutants and how that kc vet can sit there trieing to justify it is beyond me

[lurcherman887 178]

Well kc is fecked alot of good breeds by looks of it mind when people are barracading themselves from a cat whats the world coming too

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[samurai 178]

how the fcuk could that american cocker be classed as a gundog.

[Leeview 791]

Well kc is fecked alot of good breeds by looks of it mind when people are barracading themselves from a cat whats the world coming too

 

the KC dont breed the dogs or set the breed standards, the breed clubs submit the standards that they want to see in their chosen breed.the KC are a registry of pedigree dogs that have been bred they have a Gazette that records what litters have been born to which bitch by which sire and how many pups were in the litter,sex and what colour the pups are. Shows are run under KC guidance all year round not just Crufts and to take part the dogs have to be registered with the KC. So how does that "feck a lot of good breeds"

The NCC still keeps "the Greyhound Studbook" for all greyhounds that are eligible to run NGRC tracks or preban coursing,run along the same lines as the KC registry recording what has been bred and the greyhounds have nt suffered detrimentally by this IMHO

Y.I.S Leeview

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Well kc is fecked alot of good breeds by looks of it mind when people are barracading themselves from a cat whats the world coming too

 

the KC dont breed the dogs or set the breed standards, the breed clubs submit the standards that they want to see in their chosen breed.the KC are a registry of pedigree dogs that have been bred they have a Gazette that records what litters have been born to which bitch by which sire and how many pups were in the litter,sex and what colour the pups are. Shows are run under KC guidance all year round not just Crufts and to take part the dogs have to be registered with the KC. So how does that "feck a lot of good breeds"

The NCC still keeps "the Greyhound Studbook" for all greyhounds that are eligible to run NGRC tracks or preban coursing,run along the same lines as the KC registry recording what has been bred and the greyhounds have nt suffered detrimentally by this IMHO

Y.I.S Leeview

 

 

Have to agree with this. In the breed I have the dogs are getting bigger, IMO because in the show ring with some, shall we say odd judging, big dogs are getting placed very high, so people who want CCs etc think "ill breed bigger dogs." Most of these animals are no way 'Fit for purpose' they could not do the job they were breed for. Thankfully there are still some breeders trying to keep the breed as a running dog.

[roybo 2,873]

Any changes in breed standard's,have to be approved by the kennel club,judges have to be accredited by the kennel club

 

The reason you get such exaggerated dogs is when one dog ,with for example,has a bigger head or longer hair and they dominate showing,the other exhibitors

Breed off or try to emulate that exaggeration.

If k.c. accredited judges placed healthy balanced fit dogs,

hopefully breeders would stop the stupid harmful practices that have got some formerly great working breeds in such a dire state.e.g bulldog Bassett

G.S.D (amongst others)

I think if they are the body that gives "guidance " for shows maybe they should step in and refuse to sanction showing of unhealthy dogs jmho

Edited March 13, 2014 by roybo

[roybo 2,873]

I think the reason Registry of greyhounds by the ncc not being detrimental is because the breeders are breeding for performance,so that king of goes hand in hand I'd have thought withan healthier animal,than if say they bred then to "look" faster.

And give a made up story why they need certain attributes like longer ears or flowing hair .

Edited March 13, 2014 by roybo

[Leeview 791]

Any changes in breed standard's,have to be approved by the kennel club,judges have to be accredited by the kennel club

 

The reason you get such exaggerated dogs is when one dog ,with for example,has a bigger head or longer hair and they dominate showing,the other exhibitors

Breed off or try to emulate that exaggeration.

If k.c. accredited judges placed healthy balanced fit dogs,

hopefully breeders would stop the stupid harmful practices that have got some formerly great working breeds in such a dire state.e.g bulldog Bassett

G.S.D (amongst others)

I think if they are the body that gives "guidance " for shows maybe they should step in and refuse to sanction showing of unhealthy dogs jmho

 

roybo, changes in breed standards do have to be approved by the KC and judges also are accreditted by the KC but the breed clubs put them up to the KC, the breed clubs have a lot to answer for imho.

 

If the dog has an exagerated head(for example) it should be mentioned in the breed standard otherwise its a fault and its up to judges to judge honestly to that breeds standard.

 

The GSD at Crufts Ch.Elmo Van Huhnegrab has won Bob for the last 4 yrs and has been pulled out in the last 6 each time,it also has won working trials at the highest level including manwork so must surely be fit for purpose,

 

The KC do sanction showing unhealthy dogs or were you meaning unhealthy breeds?

Y.I.S Leeview

[roybo 2,873]

Yes I totally agree breed clubs have a lot to answer for Lee and, for their particular breed, more than the kennel club does.

 

Unfortunately humans being what they are ,are competitive,and some want success regardless of what that means for the breed or individual dogs.

So ,let's say a bulldog s standard say massive or broad head (not read the standard)100 or so year ago it meant something totally different.

it's open to exaggeration ,where will this end.Maybe this should be where the kennel club through their accredited judges should step in.

But they do sanction breed standard's and their ammendments,maybe this is where they have the power.

 

It's great the gsd you mentioned has the fitness to has the working titles you mentioned and I take my hat off to the breeder/owner.

But as you'd agree there's countless other dogs that couldn't fair as well .But it does show the importance of such dogs in their breeds.

 

I don't know what you mean by the last bit about the kennel club and unhealthy breeds or dogs but I'd say both to be fair.all the best Roy

[Leeview 791]

Some good points there roybo,one mans interpretation of the standard maybe different from all the other judges but judges decissions are final and someone will be happy with judge on the day

Y.I.S Leeview

[roybo 2,873]