Irish White Tail Eagle

[paulus 26]

Not everyone sees the countryside as pound notes an pences pal. why would you expect someone with nothing to gain from organised shoots to sympathize when stuff like this puts us all in a bad light. Gamekeepers should try thinkin outside the box maybe breed more poults encourage the bops an then charge the twitchers through the nose to watch them plaster it all over c**t,ryfile how shooting has saved our bops

changes in farming practises and control of poisons and fertilisers has saved certain bop. this along with changes in weather pattens has influenced all our feathered friends,

[Accip74 7,112]

 

Controlling is one thing and seems like a sensible enough idea, IF the data exists to do it. Buzzards are thriving so maybe some control is required but bird of prey populations increase and decrease along with the food supply as does any predator, so introducing thousands of easily caught decent sized dinners in the shape of game birds into the country is bound to increase populations, I think that everyone accepts that. Lets be honest about control, rules are in place about controlling species because in the past, people have been less than scrupulous in their trapping and controlling, not just of BOP but polecats and others too. To give open season on controlling buzzards would lead to their demise, BOP just don't breed fast enough to recover from concentrated, unregulated control. So who monitors the control, who sets limits and numbers Back to the original eagle thing, how anyone could kill an animal when the native population is so small is beyond me and just makes control measures being allowed less likely, because we are all tarred with the same brush and are simply not trusted to show restraint in controlling the animals that we are talking about.

 

in the past the biggest single factor in the decline in bop was farming practices and things like DDT, if population size is constrained by food availability then the evidence is that there is an increase in prey otherwise how would you explain the spread of the buzzard, most BOP are territorial so it will be a small number that are causing issues, the only BOP that will gather when an abundance of food is available is the buzzard. they could issue a license to cull say five per season this should be enough to cover the period where predation is an issue, they already issue such licenses to fisheries who have problems with cormorants,

Then you have the problem of who is justified to control, a large amount of the countryside is shot over by hobby shoots, small syndicates that operate on a non-profit basis........by their nature, they are often starting up/closing down etc.......would you say these are justified? Just because bop's may perhaps help to lighten their game bags.....I know many that feel they are........

[Alimac2 321]

the gamekeeper on the shoot behind my cottage has set up a feeding station for predatory birds (well he sits up for the foxes at the station too, but were talking about birds on this thread!).we have large numbers of buzzards, kites and a few ravens round here, and i have watched considerable numbers of these species feeding on the keepers leftover pigeons/vermin/waste deer guts etc. now i admit i dont know too much about this subject, but does anybody think this idea would help to stop gamebird losses, after all a dead bit of meat is easier to catch than a live bird? or will this encourage unnaturally high numbers of the carrion etaers, so in years to come there will be evn more to prey on the pheasants?

At certain times it would no doubt help a bit as birds can only eat so much & as you say they look for a easy meal. But in the long term, your right in what you say about it being a partial short term ease on the problem.

Other types of birds very rarely eat carrion so it wouldn't help with them.

The only thing I know helped me was to get the birds to wood as earlie as possible, usually mid/late June, too give them time to grow & wise up a bit, before bop chicks are born..

I think in Sweden they have or had a law that allows them to control bop etc, for 4weeks, with in about 200 yards of there pens, don't quote me on the figures but its something like that. Any other time or places its a big no no like it is over here.

[Moorman 1 1,417]

 

 

Huge amount get dumped after commercial game shoots

 

 

I hear that banded about by buzzard loving anti game shooters all the time. Any proof of that or just what your mate who did a bit of keepering on the big estate told you?

 

Why on earth would a commercial game shoot effectively burn their profits by dumping saleable game produce? When with the demand for game and being a relatively large scale and regular producer of game they could sell to a dealer?

 

Simply...... prove it....

 

On a shoot that I used to go beating on at the end of the day they used to say take what birds you want to anyone there.Then the JCB would dig a hole and bury the lot and that was twice a week.I asked the keeper why as its such a waste and he said that the gamedealer said that they wouldn't collect them as, it wouldn't cover their fuel costs.

[baw 4,360]

 

 

 

 

Very substantial evidence, thanks.

can you prove it DONT happen........

Seriously? That's the logic we are working to! "If you can't prove my argument wrong then I must be right!".........?

 

Can you prove you're not a rapist?

 

Don't be silly.

So what logic are we working to? If you haven't seen it and we can't provide photo evidence it didn't happen?

[baw 4,360]

 

 

 

 

 

Huge amount get dumped after commercial game shoots

 

I hear that banded about by buzzard loving anti game shooters all the time. Any proof of that or just what your mate who did a bit of keepering on the big estate told you?

 

Why on earth would a commercial game shoot effectively burn their profits by dumping saleable game produce? When with the demand for game and being a relatively large scale and regular producer of game they could sell to a dealer?

 

Simply...... prove it....

On a shoot that I used to go beating on at the end of the day they used to say take what birds you want to anyone there.Then the JCB would dig a hole and bury the lot and that was twice a week.I asked the keeper why as its such a waste and he said that the gamedealer said that they wouldn't collect them as, it wouldn't cover their fuel costs.

You need photos mate, in the 10 years since born hunter was 12, he hasn't seen it.

[Lab 10,979]

Not everyone sees the countryside as pound notes an pences pal. why would you expect someone with nothing to gain from organised shoots to sympathize when stuff like this puts us all in a bad light. Gamekeepers should try thinkin outside the box maybe breed more poults encourage the bops an then charge the twitchers through the nose to watch them plaster it all over c**t,ryfile how shooting has saved our bops

Aye you don't look at that side of things as pounds notes cause you don't loose from it...you'd soon change your mind if you did.

[Moorman 1 1,417]

 

 

 

 

Huge amount get dumped after commercial game shoots

 

I hear that banded about by buzzard loving anti game shooters all the time. Any proof of that or just what your mate who did a bit of keepering on the big estate told you?

 

Why on earth would a commercial game shoot effectively burn their profits by dumping saleable game produce? When with the demand for game and being a relatively large scale and regular producer of game they could sell to a dealer?

 

Simply...... prove it....

On a shoot that I used to go beating on at the end of the day they used to say take what birds you want to anyone there.Then the JCB would dig a hole and bury the lot and that was twice a week.I asked the keeper why as its such a waste and he said that the gamedealer said that they wouldn't collect them as, it wouldn't cover their fuel costs.

You need photos mate, in the 10 years since born hunter was 12, he hasn't seen it.

 

I'm afraid that that isn't possible as it was several years ago now....! But I can assure you that I saw this happen on a regular basis.As you well know the money is earned on a shoot when the guns pay for the days shooting the dead birds are normally an unwanted biproduct having already earned their money.

[Lab 10,979]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Huge amount get dumped after commercial game shoots

 

I hear that banded about by buzzard loving anti game shooters all the time. Any proof of that or just what your mate who did a bit of keepering on the big estate told you?

 

Why on earth would a commercial game shoot effectively burn their profits by dumping saleable game produce? When with the demand for game and being a relatively large scale and regular producer of game they could sell to a dealer?

 

Simply...... prove it....

On a shoot that I used to go beating on at the end of the day they used to say take what birds you want to anyone there.Then the JCB would dig a hole and bury the lot and that was twice a week.I asked the keeper why as its such a waste and he said that the gamedealer said that they wouldn't collect them as, it wouldn't cover their fuel costs.

You need photos mate, in the 10 years since born hunter was 12, he hasn't seen it.

I'm afraid that that isn't possible as it was several years ago now....! But I can assure you that I saw this happen on a regular basis.As you well know the money is earned on a shoot when the guns pay for the days shooting the dead birds are normally an unwanted biproduct having already earned their money.

Twice a week with a JCB? That's some birds then. Is this estate miles from anywhere?

 

Look in know way would I condone this...as bad as catching a hare, rabbit, pigeon or deer and leaving it to rot in my book.

I'm 100% certain that all things were done possible before this outcome took place. Did you take your fair share away....did other guns, pickers up and beaters take there fair share?

 

The last shoot I rented and had commercial days I never gave one bird to the game dealer. One reason was there wasn't any point in driving to the nearest game dealer for the pittance they pay for birds.

So I gave all birds away and any that was left I got plucked and froze to either eat or get a few bob for.

[RubyTex 1,957]

Well there you have it gamekeepers of Britain, to combat losses you MUST buy in more poults....completely bypassing the fact that more poults = more food = more BOP........................................

 

Lol.

[paulus 26]

Well there you have it gamekeepers of Britain, to combat losses you MUST buy in more poults....completely bypassing the fact that more poults = more food = more BOP........................................

 

Lol.

the sensible option is to issue a license to cull for the four week critical period as and if required and only within a specified area

[Lab 10,979]

Well there you have it gamekeepers of Britain, to combat losses you MUST buy in more poults....completely bypassing the fact that more poults = more food = more BOP........................................

 

Lol.

As much as I read these posts I don't know why...they always get me pissed off.

If there's one thing I hate is folk basically calling for harsher penalties on BOP kills when really it makes no difference to there lives one bit.

Let's take Baw....completely on the wind up but he has a natural dislike for keepers and pheasants.

So what id like to see happen is for every keeper in Britain to let all BOPs live...let them reproduce like f**k. Let them take every rabbit, hare, pigeon, duck, garden bird they can.....if it then starts to be a problem for your 'sport' and you want something done about them I'll quite happily stand up and tell you all to get tae f**k!!!!.... Lol

[waltjnr 6,995]

 

Well there you have it gamekeepers of Britain, to combat losses you MUST buy in more poults....completely bypassing the fact that more poults = more food = more BOP........................................

 

Lol.

As much as I read these posts I don't know why...they always get me pissed off.

If there's one thing I hate is folk basically calling for harsher penalties on BOP kills when really it makes no difference to there lives one bit.

Let's take Baw....completely on the wind up but he has a natural dislike for keepers and pheasants.

So what id like to see happen is for every keeper in Britain to let all BOPs live...let them reproduce like f**k. Let them take every rabbit, hare, pigeon, duck, garden bird they can.....if it then starts to be a problem for your 'sport' and you want something done about them I'll quite happily stand up and tell you all to get tae f**k!!!!.... Lol

 

So you'd like to see every keeper in Britain let all BOP's live and reproduce? So are you implying at the moment they dont let them live?

[Lab 10,979]

 

 

 

Well there you have it gamekeepers of Britain, to combat losses you MUST buy in more poults....completely bypassing the fact that more poults = more food = more BOP........................................

 

Lol.

As much as I read these posts I don't know why...they always get me pissed off.

If there's one thing I hate is folk basically calling for harsher penalties on BOP kills when really it makes no difference to there lives one bit.

Let's take Baw....completely on the wind up but he has a natural dislike for keepers and pheasants.

So what id like to see happen is for every keeper in Britain to let all BOPs live...let them reproduce like f**k. Let them take every rabbit, hare, pigeon, duck, garden bird they can.....if it then starts to be a problem for your 'sport' and you want something done about them I'll quite happily stand up and tell you all to get tae f**k!!!!.... Lol

So you'd like to see every keeper in Britain let all BOP's live and reproduce? So are you implying at the moment they dont let them live?

And what's your motive for wanting me to answer that question??

Any Mods think that's a funny question on a hunting site??

[Moorman 1 1,417]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Huge amount get dumped after commercial game shoots

 

I hear that banded about by buzzard loving anti game shooters all the time. Any proof of that or just what your mate who did a bit of keepering on the big estate told you?

 

Why on earth would a commercial game shoot effectively burn their profits by dumping saleable game produce? When with the demand for game and being a relatively large scale and regular producer of game they could sell to a dealer?

 

Simply...... prove it....

On a shoot that I used to go beating on at the end of the day they used to say take what birds you want to anyone there.Then the JCB would dig a hole and bury the lot and that was twice a week.I asked the keeper why as its such a waste and he said that the gamedealer said that they wouldn't collect them as, it wouldn't cover their fuel costs.

You need photos mate, in the 10 years since born hunter was 12, he hasn't seen it.

I'm afraid that that isn't possible as it was several years ago now....! But I can assure you that I saw this happen on a regular basis.As you well know the money is earned on a shoot when the guns pay for the days shooting the dead birds are normally an unwanted biproduct having already earned their money.

Twice a week with a JCB? That's some birds then. Is this estate miles from anywhere?

 

Look in know way would I condone this...as bad as catching a hare, rabbit, pigeon or deer and leaving it to rot in my book.

I'm 100% certain that all things were done possible before this outcome took place. Did you take your fair share away....did other guns, pickers up and beaters take there fair share?

 

The last shoot I rented and had commercial days I never gave one bird to the game dealer. One reason was there wasn't any point in driving to the nearest game dealer for the pittance they pay for birds.

So I gave all birds away and any that was left I got plucked and froze to either eat or get a few bob for.

 

The JCB was always in the yard.I cant remember the numbers off hand but there were a lot of birds left over.I always took what I could use or give away.And no this shoot wasn't miles out of the way.It was a disgusting waste of quality game.There are a lot of lads that I know that will kill rabbits,game,fish etc but aren't interested in using what they kill or getting their hands dirty by preparing it.