Irish White Tail Eagle

[Accip74 7,112]

Very substantial evidence, thanks.

No problem.......thats one more thing you know now eh!

Edited March 6, 2014 by Accip74

[clipo 871]

 

 

Very substantial evidence, thanks.

can you prove it DONT happen........

 

 

Seriously? That's the logic we are working to! "If you can't prove my argument wrong then I must be right!".........?

 

Can you prove you're not a rapist?

 

Don't be silly.

 

i no of a commercial shoot that was setting up partridge drives in game crops with cages full of birds straight out of the rearing sheds and then making out they were beating while every now and then they would open a cage, letting a covey go over the guns!!!! every bird shot was burned as the were full of emtryl, before it was banned, so the birds werent fit for human consumption.......i no its true because thats why i left the gamefarm that supplied the birds..........

[RubyTex 1,957]

Some pish spouted in this thread, f***ing birds of prey

[keepdiggin 9,559]

did you write that comment ruby or did lab write it?

[clipo 871]

[Lab 10,979]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Very substantial evidence, thanks.

can you prove it DONT happen........

Seriously? That's the logic we are working to! "If you can't prove my argument wrong then I must be right!".........?

 

Can you prove you're not a rapist?

 

Don't be silly.

i no of a commercial shoot that was setting up partridge drives in game crops with cages full of birds straight out of the rearing sheds and then making out they were beating while every now and then they would open a cage, letting a covey go over the guns!!!! every bird shot was burned as the were full of emtryl, before it was banned, so the birds werent fit for human consumption.......i no its true because thats why i left the gamefarm that supplied the birds..........

Not the done thing but it happens. Why..cause targets have to be met or jobs will be lost. Mistakes will be made along the way and corners will be cut sometimes.

All the more reasons why BOP numbers should be allowed to be controlled in my eyes.

[Born Hunter 17,751]

i no of a commercial shoot that was setting up partridge drives in game crops with cages full of birds straight out of the rearing sheds and then making out they were beating while every now and then they would open a cage, letting a covey go over the guns!!!! every bird shot was burned as the were full of emtryl, before it was banned, so the birds werent fit for human consumption.......i no its true because thats why i left the gamefarm that supplied the birds..........

 

 

And you believe that is common practice across the industry or an isolated case? That was my point. Of course there is waste and ethically questionable practices. But they're not common place and without being able to substantiate claims of 'huge amounts of game dumped' there is no way to quantify the degree of which it happens.

 

Just because a few shoots have on occasion dumped game because they had no outlet for it and didn't want to turn down business does not mean that it is common practice or even a significant minority or shoots. The argument has no bearing on the justification for controlling BoPs.

[RossM 8,118]

 

 

 

 

Very substantial evidence, thanks.

can you prove it DONT happen........

Seriously? That's the logic we are working to! "If you can't prove my argument wrong then I must be right!".........?

 

Can you prove you're not a rapist?

 

Don't be silly.

i no of a commercial shoot that was setting up partridge drives in game crops with cages full of birds straight out of the rearing sheds and then making out they were beating while every now and then they would open a cage, letting a covey go over the guns!!!! every bird shot was burned as the were full of emtryl, before it was banned, so the birds werent fit for human consumption.......i no its true because thats why i left the gamefarm that supplied the birds..........

Not the done thing but it happens. Why..cause targets have to be met or jobs will be lost. Mistakes will be made along the way and corners will be cut sometimes.

All the more reasons why BOP numbers should be allowed to be controlled in my eyes.

Controlled or eradicated though? How do you define which to fly and which to die?

[Lab 10,979]

 

 

 

 

 

Very substantial evidence, thanks.

can you prove it DONT happen........

Seriously? That's the logic we are working to! "If you can't prove my argument wrong then I must be right!".........?

 

Can you prove you're not a rapist?

 

Don't be silly.

i no of a commercial shoot that was setting up partridge drives in game crops with cages full of birds straight out of the rearing sheds and then making out they were beating while every now and then they would open a cage, letting a covey go over the guns!!!! every bird shot was burned as the were full of emtryl, before it was banned, so the birds werent fit for human consumption.......i no its true because thats why i left the gamefarm that supplied the birds..........

Not the done thing but it happens. Why..cause targets have to be met or jobs will be lost. Mistakes will be made along the way and corners will be cut sometimes.

All the more reasons why BOP numbers should be allowed to be controlled in my eyes.

Controlled or eradicated though? How do you define which to fly and which to die?

Controlled. A cull period at the hieght of summer when poults go to wood. This is the most crucial time for birds. Once they get a chance to find there feet and settle in the can have a far greater chance of survival.

[beast 1,884]

the gamekeeper on the shoot behind my cottage has set up a feeding station for predatory birds (well he sits up for the foxes at the station too, but were talking about birds on this thread!).

we have large numbers of buzzards, kites and a few ravens round here, and i have watched considerable numbers of these species feeding on the keepers leftover pigeons/vermin/waste deer guts etc.

 

now i admit i dont know too much about this subject, but does anybody think this idea would help to stop gamebird losses, after all a dead bit of meat is easier to catch than a live bird? or will this encourage unnaturally high numbers of the carrion etaers, so in years to come there will be evn more to prey on the pheasants?

[Huan72 687]

Controlling is one thing and seems like a sensible enough idea, IF the data exists to do it. Buzzards are thriving so maybe some control is required but bird of prey populations increase and decrease along with the food supply as does any predator, so introducing thousands of easily caught decent sized dinners in the shape of game birds into the country is bound to increase populations, I think that everyone accepts that. Lets be honest about control, rules are in place about controlling species because in the past, people have been less than scrupulous in their trapping and controlling, not just of BOP but polecats and others too. To give open season on controlling buzzards would lead to their demise, BOP just don't breed fast enough to recover from concentrated, unregulated control. So who monitors the control, who sets limits and numbers Back to the original eagle thing, how anyone could kill an animal when the native population is so small is beyond me and just makes control measures being allowed less likely, because we are all tarred with the same brush and are simply not trusted to show restraint in controlling the animals that we are talking about.

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

Actually bird I've read your post again and I'm trying not to laugh. Could you tell me how the best keeper in the world could stop poult kills by bops with legal methods.

I'm sure there's lots of lads on here that would love to know how it's done....cheers lol

No by your logic you should take the loafs down to your local pond throw the loaf in an then shoot any ducks that dare come near

 

Edit, reyour other post

Edited March 6, 2014 by JDHUNTING

[Lab 10,979]

 

Actually bird I've read your post again and I'm trying not to laugh. Could you tell me how the best keeper in the world could stop poult kills by bops with legal methods.

I'm sure there's lots of lads on here that would love to know how it's done....cheers lol

No by your logic you should take the loafs down to your local pond throw the loaf in an then shoot any ducks that dare come near

Yes that's exactly what I ment.....well done.

[JDHUNTING 1,817]

Not everyone sees the countryside as pound notes an pences pal. why would you expect someone with nothing to gain from organised shoots to sympathize when stuff like this puts us all in a bad light. Gamekeepers should try thinkin outside the box maybe breed more poults encourage the bops an then charge the twitchers through the nose to watch them plaster it all over c**t,ryfile how shooting has saved our bops

[paulus 26]

Controlling is one thing and seems like a sensible enough idea, IF the data exists to do it. Buzzards are thriving so maybe some control is required but bird of prey populations increase and decrease along with the food supply as does any predator, so introducing thousands of easily caught decent sized dinners in the shape of game birds into the country is bound to increase populations, I think that everyone accepts that. Lets be honest about control, rules are in place about controlling species because in the past, people have been less than scrupulous in their trapping and controlling, not just of BOP but polecats and others too. To give open season on controlling buzzards would lead to their demise, BOP just don't breed fast enough to recover from concentrated, unregulated control. So who monitors the control, who sets limits and numbers Back to the original eagle thing, how anyone could kill an animal when the native population is so small is beyond me and just makes control measures being allowed less likely, because we are all tarred with the same brush and are simply not trusted to show restraint in controlling the animals that we are talking about.

in the past the biggest single factor in the decline in bop was farming practices and things like DDT, if population size is constrained by food availability then the evidence is that there is an increase in prey otherwise how would you explain the spread of the buzzard, most BOP are territorial so it will be a small number that are causing issues, the only BOP that will gather when an abundance of food is available is the buzzard. they could issue a license to cull say five per season this should be enough to cover the period where predation is an issue, they already issue such licenses to fisheries who have problems with cormorants,