Irish White Tail Eagle

[paulus 26]

True but a bad summer or two can cripple the farming industry.....intensive rearing of millons of pheasants, partridges and ducks in warm and cosy sheds ensures theres plenty to spare each year

only because they can control the predators though and the weather also has an impact on game

[Accip74 7,112]

 

 

 

 

 

 

It can't be lab, neither can you stop them getting run over. I'd assume loss is part and parcel to the industry and is therefore covered by having more to balance it out.

 

that's what iam saying, start of the season the owner of the shoot+ keeper, would work out how many birds there putting out or poults to rear . What ever the number 3000 - 6000 birds they got to know they will loose quite few to predators etc . And some shoots, guns are paying £ 8-10 grand full gun a season , last time was beating at few shoots most had 8-10 guns , so I reckon they could cover the cost of having extra birds they may need , that will be taken from predators , or as above killed on roads etc. Now to me lab , that's how a proper shoot should be run, if they trying to cut corners with money, then maybe they need new management skills in this kind of work . its as simple as that

 

As I've said and you've pointed out once again....you'll never understand until it hits you directly in the pocket.This is how my grandad would explain things...."it's like owning a shop and everyday someone coming in a stealing something...you see them doing it but your not allowed to do anything about it?Can I ask you what you done for a living Bird??

yeh worked at local Brewery 25 years, before that 10 years at a Dairy , so you see Lab always had some kind of heavy type of work since I left school, and never been out of wok, only been finished this last 11 years through back injury had 3 slipped discs , then had to finish . The shoots I was beating on was 10 gun syndicate as said most were £ 8 -10 grand full gun , so you can see where iam coming from they could afford to put the extra birds down.Now if yours is a smaller shoot ok prob bit different to your pocket + owner , I can understand that

right i am an arable farmer and i plant a field of barley, the dreaded pigeons drop on it, legally i try all non lethal methods to stop them, when these fail i am allowed under the terms of the general license to shoot them to protect my crops, now a game farmer does not have this option even though the birds doing the damage to him are also not endangered just like the pigeons eating the barley, so why should the game farmer put extra birds down if the farmer does not have to put extra barley in, you couldn't make this up

because the farmer provides essential crops for the country to eat while the game farmer provides a product for someones sport..

barley goes into the food chain, pheasant goes into the food chain......................................both have the potential to make money, plus more farmers grow crops for bio diesel than food in the uk

Huge amount get dumped after commercial game shoots

[paulus 26]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It can't be lab, neither can you stop them getting run over. I'd assume loss is part and parcel to the industry and is therefore covered by having more to balance it out.

that's what iam saying, start of the season the owner of the shoot+ keeper, would work out how many birds there putting out or poults to rear . What ever the number 3000 - 6000 birds they got to know they will loose quite few to predators etc . And some shoots, guns are paying £ 8-10 grand full gun a season , last time was beating at few shoots most had 8-10 guns , so I reckon they could cover the cost of having extra birds they may need , that will be taken from predators , or as above killed on roads etc. Now to me lab , that's how a proper shoot should be run, if they trying to cut corners with money, then maybe they need new management skills in this kind of work . its as simple as that

As I've said and you've pointed out once again....you'll never understand until it hits you directly in the pocket.This is how my grandad would explain things...."it's like owning a shop and everyday someone coming in a stealing something...you see them doing it but your not allowed to do anything about it?Can I ask you what you done for a living Bird??

yeh worked at local Brewery 25 years, before that 10 years at a Dairy , so you see Lab always had some kind of heavy type of work since I left school, and never been out of wok, only been finished this last 11 years through back injury had 3 slipped discs , then had to finish . The shoots I was beating on was 10 gun syndicate as said most were £ 8 -10 grand full gun , so you can see where iam coming from they could afford to put the extra birds down.Now if yours is a smaller shoot ok prob bit different to your pocket + owner , I can understand that

right i am an arable farmer and i plant a field of barley, the dreaded pigeons drop on it, legally i try all non lethal methods to stop them, when these fail i am allowed under the terms of the general license to shoot them to protect my crops, now a game farmer does not have this option even though the birds doing the damage to him are also not endangered just like the pigeons eating the barley, so why should the game farmer put extra birds down if the farmer does not have to put extra barley in, you couldn't make this up

because the farmer provides essential crops for the country to eat while the game farmer provides a product for someones sport..

barley goes into the food chain, pheasant goes into the food chain......................................both have the potential to make money, plus more farmers grow crops for bio diesel than food in the uk

Huge amount get dumped after commercial game shoots

 

also rumours of big cats and even big foot roaming the countryside

[paulus 26]

i wonder if commercial free range chicken and duck farmers are having similar problems,

[Accip74 7,112]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It can't be lab, neither can you stop them getting run over. I'd assume loss is part and parcel to the industry and is therefore covered by having more to balance it out.

 

that's what iam saying, start of the season the owner of the shoot+ keeper, would work out how many birds there putting out or poults to rear . What ever the number 3000 - 6000 birds they got to know they will loose quite few to predators etc . And some shoots, guns are paying £ 8-10 grand full gun a season , last time was beating at few shoots most had 8-10 guns , so I reckon they could cover the cost of having extra birds they may need , that will be taken from predators , or as above killed on roads etc. Now to me lab , that's how a proper shoot should be run, if they trying to cut corners with money, then maybe they need new management skills in this kind of work . its as simple as that

As I've said and you've pointed out once again....you'll never understand until it hits you directly in the pocket.This is how my grandad would explain things...."it's like owning a shop and everyday someone coming in a stealing something...you see them doing it but your not allowed to do anything about it?Can I ask you what you done for a living Bird??

yeh worked at local Brewery 25 years, before that 10 years at a Dairy , so you see Lab always had some kind of heavy type of work since I left school, and never been out of wok, only been finished this last 11 years through back injury had 3 slipped discs , then had to finish . The shoots I was beating on was 10 gun syndicate as said most were £ 8 -10 grand full gun , so you can see where iam coming from they could afford to put the extra birds down.Now if yours is a smaller shoot ok prob bit different to your pocket + owner , I can understand that

right i am an arable farmer and i plant a field of barley, the dreaded pigeons drop on it, legally i try all non lethal methods to stop them, when these fail i am allowed under the terms of the general license to shoot them to protect my crops, now a game farmer does not have this option even though the birds doing the damage to him are also not endangered just like the pigeons eating the barley, so why should the game farmer put extra birds down if the farmer does not have to put extra barley in, you couldn't make this up

because the farmer provides essential crops for the country to eat while the game farmer provides a product for someones sport..

barley goes into the food chain, pheasant goes into the food chain......................................both have the potential to make money, plus more farmers grow crops for bio diesel than food in the uk

Huge amount get dumped after commercial game shoots

also rumours of big cats and even big foot roaming the countryside

The keepers must of been making it up then.........lol

[j j m 6,559]

Lovely looking bird

[killbilly 17]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361000/Golden-eagle-clutches-lamb-Isle-Mull-razor-sharp-talons.html

 

 

Hard to know if the lamb was already dead when the eagle found it. In any case I googled to see if this issue had been looked into in any systematic way and got an interesting link below.

 

http://www.snh.gov.uk/publications-data-and-research/publications/search-the-catalogue/publication-detail/?id=1473

[Born Hunter 17,798]

 

Huge amount get dumped after commercial game shoots

 

 

I hear that banded about by buzzard loving anti game shooters all the time. Any proof of that or just what your mate who did a bit of keepering on the big estate told you?

 

Why on earth would a commercial game shoot effectively burn their profits by dumping saleable game produce? When with the demand for game and being a relatively large scale and regular producer of game they could sell to a dealer?

 

Simply...... prove it....

Edited March 6, 2014 by Born Hunter

[paulus 26]

 

 

Huge amount get dumped after commercial game shoots

 

 

I hear that banded about by buzzard loving anti game shooters all the time. Any proof of that or just what your mate who did a bit of keepering on the big estate told you?

 

Why on earth would a commercial game shoot effectively burn their profits by dumping saleable game produce? When with the demand for game and being a relatively large scale and regular producer of game they could sell to a dealer?

 

Simply...... prove it....

 

it works like potato farmers, joe blogs on his allotment has far less potatoes that can not be used than a big commercial farm, the same goes with pheasant shoots. in percentage terms their probably on par regardless of size, but i would think, even the unusable for consumption ones would get used for other things like bait etc.

[Lab 10,979]

Probably has happened before....who knows the reasons. Plenty that would make sense anyway.

 

Be better of looking it through the anti lenses though, makes a better story.

[Accip74 7,112]

 

Huge amount get dumped after commercial game shoots

 

I hear that banded about by buzzard loving anti game shooters all the time. Any proof of that or just what your mate who did a bit of keepering on the big estate told you?

 

Why on earth would a commercial game shoot effectively burn their profits by dumping saleable game produce? When with the demand for game and being a relatively large scale and regular producer of game they could sell to a dealer?

 

Simply...... prove it....

Proof lol.......so you want me to gather photographic evidence ,name's, witnesses etc....lol..........it happens mate simple as that & if your too naive to believe it can happen or won't accept it fine..........I'm talking large scale shooting, which don't have an endless demand for thousands of pheasants shot through the season.......where I'm from, every other farm was a pheasant shoot, that's a lot of birds......

 

As for my mate who said this or said that........lol.......effortlessly patronising.....nice...

I've spoken to gamekeepers & game shooters alike, who have told me the same thing..........of course it doesn't happen on all or the majority, but it does happen................sorry no pics :-)

Edited March 6, 2014 by Accip74

[Born Hunter 17,798]

Very substantial evidence, thanks.

[clipo 871]

Very substantial evidence, thanks.

can you prove it DONT happen........

[Lab 10,979]

So what if it does happen. Do c**ts go out and tortute animals with dogs? If so does that mean everyone does or just a select few that know one actually agrees with??

[Born Hunter 17,798]

 

Very substantial evidence, thanks.

can you prove it DONT happen........

 

 

Seriously? That's the logic we are working to! "If you can't prove my argument wrong then I must be right!".........?

 

Can you prove you're not a rapist?

 

Don't be silly.