Irish White Tail Eagle

[thebiggerdog 160]

deep fried, covered in bread crumbs with a side of chips....bang tidy

[Lab 10,979]

Of course wild animals are going to kill them. But like most of vermin you are allowed a form of control. That's all that's asked instead of having to break the law. It really is that simple.

 

These threads are all the same....for some folk pheasant shooting is a toffs world when there's plenty at it working class lads who are just trying to make a living at it. Nobody will understand till it hits them in there own pocket.

[bird 9,864]

It can't be lab, neither can you stop them getting run over. I'd assume loss is part and parcel to the industry and is therefore covered by having more to balance it out.

that's what iam saying, start of the season the owner of the shoot+ keeper, would work out how many birds there putting out or poults to rear . What ever the number 3000 - 6000 birds they got to know they will loose quite few to predators etc . And some shoots, guns are paying £ 8-10 grand full gun a season , last time was beating at few shoots most had 8-10 guns , so I reckon they could cover the cost of having extra birds they may need , that will be taken from predators , or as above killed on roads etc. Now to me lab , that's how a proper shoot should be run, if they trying to cut corners with money, then maybe they need new management skills in this kind of work . its as simple as that

[STRANGER 948]

There's not many businesses that add additional costs to a solvable problem though bird is there?

 

I cant think of any that do.

 

Why should game shooting or farming for that matter,suffer because a minority (most of which are totally unaffected either way) find a particular bird 'nice to look at'.

Edited March 6, 2014 by STRANGER

[Born Hunter 17,751]

 

It can't be lab, neither can you stop them getting run over. I'd assume loss is part and parcel to the industry and is therefore covered by having more to balance it out.

that's what iam saying, start of the season the owner of the shoot+ keeper, would work out how many birds there putting out or poults to rear . What ever the number 3000 - 6000 birds they got to know they will loose quite few to predators etc . And some shoots, guns are paying £ 8-10 grand full gun a season , last time was beating at few shoots most had 8-10 guns , so I reckon they could cover the cost of having extra birds they may need , that will be taken from predators , or as above killed on roads etc. Now to me lab , that's how a proper shoot should be run, if they trying to cut corners with money, then maybe they need new management skills in this kind of work . its as simple as that

 

 

Okay, lets take the same logic to all predator control Bird eh?

 

So, take all predators off the legal quarry list. Why should farmers be allowed to shoot foxes when they could just farm a greater number of lambs and pass the cost onto the consumer?

[bird 9,864]

There's not many businesses that add additional costs to a solvable problem though bird is there?

 

I cant think of any that do.

 

Why should game shooting or farming for that matter,suffer because a minority (most of which are totally unaffected either way) find a particular bird 'nice to look at'.

true , but in the very nature of this line of work, its all about numbers . Meaning how many times have you been beating, my case done 4 seasons at different shoots, where a drive doesn't go well ie no birds or all get up to quick to shoot. The guns moan like feck if lack of birds, so the keeper+owner try's dame hard to have more than enough birds there in the 1st place. As said mate this line of work it is numbers deff

[Lab 10,979]

 

 

It can't be lab, neither can you stop them getting run over. I'd assume loss is part and parcel to the industry and is therefore covered by having more to balance it out.

that's what iam saying, start of the season the owner of the shoot+ keeper, would work out how many birds there putting out or poults to rear . What ever the number 3000 - 6000 birds they got to know they will loose quite few to predators etc . And some shoots, guns are paying £ 8-10 grand full gun a season , last time was beating at few shoots most had 8-10 guns , so I reckon they could cover the cost of having extra birds they may need , that will be taken from predators , or as above killed on roads etc. Now to me lab , that's how a proper shoot should be run, if they trying to cut corners with money, then maybe they need new management skills in this kind of work . its as simple as that

As I've said and you've pointed out once again....you'll never understand until it hits you directly in the pocket.

 

This is how my grandad would explain things...."it's like owning a shop and everyday someone coming in a stealing something...you see them doing it but your not allowed to do anything about it?

 

Can I ask you what you done for a living Bird??

[paulus 26]

 

There's not many businesses that add additional costs to a solvable problem though bird is there?

 

I cant think of any that do.

 

Why should game shooting or farming for that matter,suffer because a minority (most of which are totally unaffected either way) find a particular bird 'nice to look at'.

true , but in the very nature of this line of work, its all about numbers . Meaning how many times have you been beating, my case done 4 seasons at different shoots, where a drive doesn't go well ie no birds or all get up to quick to shoot. The guns moan like feck if lack of birds, so the keeper+owner try's dame hard to have more than enough birds there in the 1st place. As said mate this line of work it is numbers deff

 

so the bop are stealing as it can not be predation as there not wild , if it was a mink would you have a problem with it being culled much the same if it was a rat killing canaries in an canary pen, if something is causing a problem then there needs to be a solution available to sort it, its no different to badgers and the spread of TB very emotive and makes people say daft things, i like bop fook ive owned and bred more than my fair share, but when some species are in high numbers in the wild them emotions need to be curtailed and a level head approach used, if they need to be culled in areas than so be it, issue licenses or what ever. people need options to protect what is theres and what feeds a puts a roof over their families heads, this toff game shooting thing is like fox hunting, its anti propaganda put in place to fragment field sports, if you can not see this then what hope as any field sport got, and another thing why i am on a rant they same people that comment on bop being killed are more than happy to see a deer killed, what is the difference if the numbers are both at record levels,

[bird 9,864]

 

 

It can't be lab, neither can you stop them getting run over. I'd assume loss is part and parcel to the industry and is therefore covered by having more to balance it out.

that's what iam saying, start of the season the owner of the shoot+ keeper, would work out how many birds there putting out or poults to rear . What ever the number 3000 - 6000 birds they got to know they will loose quite few to predators etc . And some shoots, guns are paying £ 8-10 grand full gun a season , last time was beating at few shoots most had 8-10 guns , so I reckon they could cover the cost of having extra birds they may need , that will be taken from predators , or as above killed on roads etc. Now to me lab , that's how a proper shoot should be run, if they trying to cut corners with money, then maybe they need new management skills in this kind of work . its as simple as that

As I've said and you've pointed out once again....you'll never understand until it hits you directly in the pocket.

 

This is how my grandad would explain things...."it's like owning a shop and everyday someone coming in a stealing something...you see them doing it but your not allowed to do anything about it?

 

Can I ask you what you done for a living Bird??

 

yeh worked at local Brewery 25 years, before that 10 years at a Dairy , so you see Lab always had some kind of heavy type of work since I left school, and never been out of wok, only been finished this last 11 years through back injury had 3 slipped discs , then had to finish . The shoots I was beating on was 10 gun syndicate as said most were £ 8 -10 grand full gun , so you can see where iam coming from they could afford to put the extra birds down.Now if yours is a smaller shoot ok prob bit different to your pocket + owner , I can understand that

[paulus 26]

 

 

 

It can't be lab, neither can you stop them getting run over. I'd assume loss is part and parcel to the industry and is therefore covered by having more to balance it out.

that's what iam saying, start of the season the owner of the shoot+ keeper, would work out how many birds there putting out or poults to rear . What ever the number 3000 - 6000 birds they got to know they will loose quite few to predators etc . And some shoots, guns are paying £ 8-10 grand full gun a season , last time was beating at few shoots most had 8-10 guns , so I reckon they could cover the cost of having extra birds they may need , that will be taken from predators , or as above killed on roads etc. Now to me lab , that's how a proper shoot should be run, if they trying to cut corners with money, then maybe they need new management skills in this kind of work . its as simple as that

As I've said and you've pointed out once again....you'll never understand until it hits you directly in the pocket.

 

This is how my grandad would explain things...."it's like owning a shop and everyday someone coming in a stealing something...you see them doing it but your not allowed to do anything about it?

 

Can I ask you what you done for a living Bird??

 

yeh worked at local Brewery 25 years, before that 10 years at a Dairy , so you see Lab always had some kind of heavy type of work since I left school, and never been out of wok, only been finished this last 11 years through back injury had 3 slipped discs , then had to finish . The shoots I was beating on was 10 gun syndicate as said most were £ 8 -10 grand full gun , so you can see where iam coming from they could afford to put the extra birds down.Now if yours is a smaller shoot ok prob bit different to your pocket + owner , I can understand that

 

right i am an arable farmer and i plant a field of barley, the dreaded pigeons drop on it, legally i try all non lethal methods to stop them, when these fail i am allowed under the terms of the general license to shoot them to protect my crops, now a game farmer does not have this option even though the birds doing the damage to him are also not endangered just like the pigeons eating the barley, so why should the game farmer put extra birds down if the farmer does not have to put extra barley in, you couldn't make this up

[Lab 10,979]

 

 

 

 

It can't be lab, neither can you stop them getting run over. I'd assume loss is part and parcel to the industry and is therefore covered by having more to balance it out.

that's what iam saying, start of the season the owner of the shoot+ keeper, would work out how many birds there putting out or poults to rear . What ever the number 3000 - 6000 birds they got to know they will loose quite few to predators etc . And some shoots, guns are paying £ 8-10 grand full gun a season , last time was beating at few shoots most had 8-10 guns , so I reckon they could cover the cost of having extra birds they may need , that will be taken from predators , or as above killed on roads etc. Now to me lab , that's how a proper shoot should be run, if they trying to cut corners with money, then maybe they need new management skills in this kind of work . its as simple as that

As I've said and you've pointed out once again....you'll never understand until it hits you directly in the pocket.

 

This is how my grandad would explain things...."it's like owning a shop and everyday someone coming in a stealing something...you see them doing it but your not allowed to do anything about it?

 

Can I ask you what you done for a living Bird??

yeh worked at local Brewery 25 years, before that 10 years at a Dairy , so you see Lab always had some kind of heavy type of work since I left school, and never been out of wok, only been finished this last 11 years through back injury had 3 slipped discs , then had to finish . The shoots I was beating on was 10 gun syndicate as said most were £ 8 -10 grand full gun , so you can see where iam coming from they could afford to put the extra birds down.Now if yours is a smaller shoot ok prob bit different to your pocket + owner , I can understand that

Well that's where will have to agree to disagree mate. I don't make rules on his much money somebody has in the bank. It wouldn't be fair to get special treatment because I didn't have millions and make the men with money fork out cause they have a few bob.

I know a few shoots that millionaires run but the shoot is run as a normal functioning business...there's no endless supply of money. The boss gives a lump upfront and expects a season of shooting with the bank balance in tact.

I can't say anymore times that most keepers I would know would like to have some kind of cull period where problem birds can be dealt with. I don't think that's asking a lot...especially in the buzzards case as there numbers are unreal.

[bird 9,864]

 

 

 

 

It can't be lab, neither can you stop them getting run over. I'd assume loss is part and parcel to the industry and is therefore covered by having more to balance it out.

that's what iam saying, start of the season the owner of the shoot+ keeper, would work out how many birds there putting out or poults to rear . What ever the number 3000 - 6000 birds they got to know they will loose quite few to predators etc . And some shoots, guns are paying £ 8-10 grand full gun a season , last time was beating at few shoots most had 8-10 guns , so I reckon they could cover the cost of having extra birds they may need , that will be taken from predators , or as above killed on roads etc. Now to me lab , that's how a proper shoot should be run, if they trying to cut corners with money, then maybe they need new management skills in this kind of work . its as simple as that

As I've said and you've pointed out once again....you'll never understand until it hits you directly in the pocket.

 

This is how my grandad would explain things...."it's like owning a shop and everyday someone coming in a stealing something...you see them doing it but your not allowed to do anything about it?

 

Can I ask you what you done for a living Bird??

yeh worked at local Brewery 25 years, before that 10 years at a Dairy , so you see Lab always had some kind of heavy type of work since I left school, and never been out of wok, only been finished this last 11 years through back injury had 3 slipped discs , then had to finish . The shoots I was beating on was 10 gun syndicate as said most were £ 8 -10 grand full gun , so you can see where iam coming from they could afford to put the extra birds down.Now if yours is a smaller shoot ok prob bit different to your pocket + owner , I can understand that

Well that's where will have to agree to disagree mate. I don't make rules on his much money somebody has in the bank. It wouldn't be fair to get special treatment because I didn't have millions and make the men with money fork out cause they have a few bob.

I know a few shoots that millionaires run but the shoot is run as a normal functioning business...there's no endless supply of money. The boss gives a lump upfront and expects a season of shooting with the bank balance in tact.

I can't say anymore times that most keepers I would know would like to have some kind of cull period where problem birds can be dealt with. I don't think that's asking a lot...especially in the buzzards case as there numbers are unreal.

 

yeh there seems lots of buzzards about now more than before prob need some form of control

[clipo 871]

 

 

 

 

It can't be lab, neither can you stop them getting run over. I'd assume loss is part and parcel to the industry and is therefore covered by having more to balance it out.

that's what iam saying, start of the season the owner of the shoot+ keeper, would work out how many birds there putting out or poults to rear . What ever the number 3000 - 6000 birds they got to know they will loose quite few to predators etc . And some shoots, guns are paying £ 8-10 grand full gun a season , last time was beating at few shoots most had 8-10 guns , so I reckon they could cover the cost of having extra birds they may need , that will be taken from predators , or as above killed on roads etc. Now to me lab , that's how a proper shoot should be run, if they trying to cut corners with money, then maybe they need new management skills in this kind of work . its as simple as that

As I've said and you've pointed out once again....you'll never understand until it hits you directly in the pocket.This is how my grandad would explain things...."it's like owning a shop and everyday someone coming in a stealing something...you see them doing it but your not allowed to do anything about it?Can I ask you what you done for a living Bird??

yeh worked at local Brewery 25 years, before that 10 years at a Dairy , so you see Lab always had some kind of heavy type of work since I left school, and never been out of wok, only been finished this last 11 years through back injury had 3 slipped discs , then had to finish . The shoots I was beating on was 10 gun syndicate as said most were £ 8 -10 grand full gun , so you can see where iam coming from they could afford to put the extra birds down.Now if yours is a smaller shoot ok prob bit different to your pocket + owner , I can understand that

right i am an arable farmer and i plant a field of barley, the dreaded pigeons drop on it, legally i try all non lethal methods to stop them, when these fail i am allowed under the terms of the general license to shoot them to protect my crops, now a game farmer does not have this option even though the birds doing the damage to him are also not endangered just like the pigeons eating the barley, so why should the game farmer put extra birds down if the farmer does not have to put extra barley in, you couldn't make this up

because the farmer provides essential crops for the country to eat while the game farmer provides a product for someones sport..

[paulus 26]

 

 

 

 

 

It can't be lab, neither can you stop them getting run over. I'd assume loss is part and parcel to the industry and is therefore covered by having more to balance it out.

that's what iam saying, start of the season the owner of the shoot+ keeper, would work out how many birds there putting out or poults to rear . What ever the number 3000 - 6000 birds they got to know they will loose quite few to predators etc . And some shoots, guns are paying £ 8-10 grand full gun a season , last time was beating at few shoots most had 8-10 guns , so I reckon they could cover the cost of having extra birds they may need , that will be taken from predators , or as above killed on roads etc. Now to me lab , that's how a proper shoot should be run, if they trying to cut corners with money, then maybe they need new management skills in this kind of work . its as simple as that

As I've said and you've pointed out once again....you'll never understand until it hits you directly in the pocket.This is how my grandad would explain things...."it's like owning a shop and everyday someone coming in a stealing something...you see them doing it but your not allowed to do anything about it?Can I ask you what you done for a living Bird??

yeh worked at local Brewery 25 years, before that 10 years at a Dairy , so you see Lab always had some kind of heavy type of work since I left school, and never been out of wok, only been finished this last 11 years through back injury had 3 slipped discs , then had to finish . The shoots I was beating on was 10 gun syndicate as said most were £ 8 -10 grand full gun , so you can see where iam coming from they could afford to put the extra birds down.Now if yours is a smaller shoot ok prob bit different to your pocket + owner , I can understand that

right i am an arable farmer and i plant a field of barley, the dreaded pigeons drop on it, legally i try all non lethal methods to stop them, when these fail i am allowed under the terms of the general license to shoot them to protect my crops, now a game farmer does not have this option even though the birds doing the damage to him are also not endangered just like the pigeons eating the barley, so why should the game farmer put extra birds down if the farmer does not have to put extra barley in, you couldn't make this up

because the farmer provides essential crops for the country to eat while the game farmer provides a product for someones sport..

 

barley goes into the food chain, pheasant goes into the food chain......................................both have the potential to make money, plus more farmers grow crops for bio diesel than food in the uk

[clipo 871]

True but a bad summer or two can cripple the farming industry.....intensive rearing of millons of pheasants, partridges and ducks in warm and cosy sheds ensures theres plenty to spare each year