Irish White Tail Eagle

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Well there you have it gamekeepers of Britain, to combat losses you MUST buy in more poults....completely bypassing the fact that more poults = more food = more BOP........................................

 

Lol.

As much as I read these posts I don't know why...they always get me pissed off.

If there's one thing I hate is folk basically calling for harsher penalties on BOP kills when really it makes no difference to there lives one bit.

Let's take Baw....completely on the wind up but he has a natural dislike for keepers and pheasants.

So what id like to see happen is for every keeper in Britain to let all BOPs live...let them reproduce like f**k. Let them take every rabbit, hare, pigeon, duck, garden bird they can.....if it then starts to be a problem for your 'sport' and you want something done about them I'll quite happily stand up and tell you all to get tae f**k!!!!.... Lol

ohhhh the irony. I think you'll find when my sport was under real threat by the government most shooters DID tell us to get to f**k. Now you guys are bleating on about a BOP taking a few pheasants that managed to avoid getting run over for a day. Every single business has to include loss into there business plan. No matter if your a manufacturer, retailer, farmer or what ever, you will never get 100% production. Whether its down to breakages, faults, theft, vandals, whatever, you need to make allowances for it. You might be on a fencing job that's going to take a couple of days. Vandals might wreck it during the night. If you haven't got the savvy to cover if this happens then you'll go down the swanny. It's what being in business is all about. If your putting pet birds into the wild you have to expect loss and make provisions to cover the loss. You can't kill everything that eats pheasants no matter how much you'd like to.

Thanks for the business lesson.

So if foxes, stoats, weasels, crows and anything else that can be harmful to a successful shooting season can be controlled( there's that word again) why does having a hook beak grant you immunity??

Oh and thanks again for showing the real reason you dislike the keepering world...hahaha

I can't see how a BOP can be as destructive as a weasle, fox, etc. besides, they need controlled because it effects the nations food source not some fat lard ass guys day of fun

 

right i will explain a bit about business, i will use stalking to be impartial, say i book a weeks stalking in the highlands, how many businesses/people would possibly benefit from me doing this, think about it??? no different to game shooting!!

[baw 4,360]

 

 

I'd delete this thread, too many guys giving the antis ammo.

the irony

I was thinking more trappa post lol. Here mate, not a bad morning, both Darcy and lab in the keep net and it's not even 10 yet

[baw 4,360]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well there you have it gamekeepers of Britain, to combat losses you MUST buy in more poults....completely bypassing the fact that more poults = more food = more BOP........................................

 

Lol.

As much as I read these posts I don't know why...they always get me pissed off.

If there's one thing I hate is folk basically calling for harsher penalties on BOP kills when really it makes no difference to there lives one bit.

Let's take Baw....completely on the wind up but he has a natural dislike for keepers and pheasants.

So what id like to see happen is for every keeper in Britain to let all BOPs live...let them reproduce like f**k. Let them take every rabbit, hare, pigeon, duck, garden bird they can.....if it then starts to be a problem for your 'sport' and you want something done about them I'll quite happily stand up and tell you all to get tae f**k!!!!.... Lol

ohhhh the irony. I think you'll find when my sport was under real threat by the government most shooters DID tell us to get to f**k. Now you guys are bleating on about a BOP taking a few pheasants that managed to avoid getting run over for a day. Every single business has to include loss into there business plan. No matter if your a manufacturer, retailer, farmer or what ever, you will never get 100% production. Whether its down to breakages, faults, theft, vandals, whatever, you need to make allowances for it. You might be on a fencing job that's going to take a couple of days. Vandals might wreck it during the night. If you haven't got the savvy to cover if this happens then you'll go down the swanny. It's what being in business is all about. If your putting pet birds into the wild you have to expect loss and make provisions to cover the loss. You can't kill everything that eats pheasants no matter how much you'd like to.

Thanks for the business lesson.

So if foxes, stoats, weasels, crows and anything else that can be harmful to a successful shooting season can be controlled( there's that word again) why does having a hook beak grant you immunity??

Oh and thanks again for showing the real reason you dislike the keepering world...hahaha

I can't see how a BOP can be as destructive as a weasle, fox, etc. besides, they need controlled because it effects the nations food source not some fat lard ass guys day of fun

right i will explain a bit about business, i will use stalking to be impartial, say i book a weeks stalking in the highlands, how many businesses/people would possibly benefit from me doing this, think about it??? no different to game shooting!!

Lol I know it's an income the countryside needs mate but there has to be a balance. Killing bop so we can have some more pheasants ain't something I would like to happen.

[baw 4,360]

I know a fishery, down a bit from granton on Spey. They have a big sign saying, come and see the ospreys. You need to use these beautiful birds as an asset not as an enemy.

[Astanley 11,580]

Sounds reasonable to me to give keepers a window of opportunity to control numbers .

[Born Hunter 17,809]

So what logic are we working to? If you haven't seen it and we can't provide photo evidence it didn't happen?

 

 

LOL, no that doesn't mean it didn't happen. This is the same as with the God thread, we say "you have no proof of God therefore why believe he exists?", they say "yeah, but you can't prove he doesn't". It's a pointless logic and nothing in our society is based on such a pointless logic. If I accused you of a serious crime, I would be expected to substantiate my claims with evidence, otherwise they are rightly considered utterly meaningless.

 

The reason I asked for proof, is because everytime BoP control is mentioned the "huge amounts of birds are dumped" argument always comes up like it justifies 100% protection to these predators. I want some numbers so we can quantify how many birds are dumped and see wheather or not the term "huge amounts" is justified. Otherwise these claims are completely meaningless.

 

If 5% of all birds shot nationally are found to be being dumped by a total of say 2% of shoots nationwide, is the term "huge amounts" really justified? But we don't know do we.......... because the fact is, all these accusations are unsubstantiated, yet the anti BoP control lobby think it's acceptable to use it as an argument to punish the entire industry, professional and amateur.

[baw 4,360]

 

So what logic are we working to? If you haven't seen it and we can't provide photo evidence it didn't happen?

 

LOL, no that doesn't mean it didn't happen. This is the same as with the God thread, we say "you have no proof of God therefore why believe he exists?", they say "yeah, but you can't prove he doesn't". It's a pointless logic and nothing in our society is based on such a pointless logic. If I accused you of a serious crime, I would be expected to substantiate my claims with evidence, otherwise they are rightly considered utterly meaningless.

 

The reason I asked for proof, is because everytime BoP control is mentioned the "huge amounts of birds are dumped" argument always comes up like it justifies 100% protection to these predators. I want some numbers so we can quantify how many birds are dumped and see wheather or not the term "huge amounts" is justified. Otherwise these claims are completely meaningless.

 

If 5% of all birds shot nationally are found to be being dumped by a total of say 2% of shoots nationwide, is the term "huge amounts" really justified? But we don't know do we.......... because the fact is, all these accusations are unsubstantiated, yet the anti BoP control lobby think it's acceptable to use it as an argument to punish the entire industry, professional and amateur.

In the same line of thought, I'd like to know what percentage of pheasants get killed by BOP to see if control is justified. I'd be suprised if its more than gets killed on the road.

[Accip74 7,112]

 

 

So what logic are we working to? If you haven't seen it and we can't provide photo evidence it didn't happen?

 

LOL, no that doesn't mean it didn't happen. This is the same as with the God thread, we say "you have no proof of God therefore why believe he exists?", they say "yeah, but you can't prove he doesn't". It's a pointless logic and nothing in our society is based on such a pointless logic. If I accused you of a serious crime, I would be expected to substantiate my claims with evidence, otherwise they are rightly considered utterly meaningless.

 

The reason I asked for proof, is because everytime BoP control is mentioned the "huge amounts of birds are dumped" argument always comes up like it justifies 100% protection to these predators. I want some numbers so we can quantify how many birds are dumped and see wheather or not the term "huge amounts" is justified. Otherwise these claims are completely meaningless.

 

If 5% of all birds shot nationally are found to be being dumped by a total of say 2% of shoots nationwide, is the term "huge amounts" really justified? But we don't know do we.......... because the fact is, all these accusations are unsubstantiated, yet the anti BoP control lobby think it's acceptable to use it as an argument to punish the entire industry, professional and amateur.

In the same line of thought, I'd like to know what percentage of pheasants get killed by BOP to see if control is justified. I'd be suprised if its more than gets killed on the road.

Yeh where's the proof lol

[baw 4,360]

I know where the proof is from road kills, I've got a dent on my passenger f***ing door from one of the dumb fucks how anybody who shoots these dumb flying bricks finds it a challenge is beyond me.

[Accip74 7,112]

 

So what logic are we working to? If you haven't seen it and we can't provide photo evidence it didn't happen?

 

LOL, no that doesn't mean it didn't happen. This is the same as with the God thread, we say "you have no proof of God therefore why believe he exists?", they say "yeah, but you can't prove he doesn't". It's a pointless logic and nothing in our society is based on such a pointless logic. If I accused you of a serious crime, I would be expected to substantiate my claims with evidence, otherwise they are rightly considered utterly meaningless.

 

The reason I asked for proof, is because everytime BoP control is mentioned the "huge amounts of birds are dumped" argument always comes up like it justifies 100% protection to these predators. I want some numbers so we can quantify how many birds are dumped and see wheather or not the term "huge amounts" is justified. Otherwise these claims are completely meaningless.

 

If 5% of all birds shot nationally are found to be being dumped by a total of say 2% of shoots nationwide, is the term "huge amounts" really justified? But we don't know do we.......... because the fact is, all these accusations are unsubstantiated, yet the anti BoP control lobby think it's acceptable to use it as an argument to punish the entire industry, professional and amateur.

What numbers have you got? that substantiate the claims of keepers that bop are a major threat to game birds...

[Born Hunter 17,809]

 

 

So what logic are we working to? If you haven't seen it and we can't provide photo evidence it didn't happen?

 

LOL, no that doesn't mean it didn't happen. This is the same as with the God thread, we say "you have no proof of God therefore why believe he exists?", they say "yeah, but you can't prove he doesn't". It's a pointless logic and nothing in our society is based on such a pointless logic. If I accused you of a serious crime, I would be expected to substantiate my claims with evidence, otherwise they are rightly considered utterly meaningless.

 

The reason I asked for proof, is because everytime BoP control is mentioned the "huge amounts of birds are dumped" argument always comes up like it justifies 100% protection to these predators. I want some numbers so we can quantify how many birds are dumped and see wheather or not the term "huge amounts" is justified. Otherwise these claims are completely meaningless.

 

If 5% of all birds shot nationally are found to be being dumped by a total of say 2% of shoots nationwide, is the term "huge amounts" really justified? But we don't know do we.......... because the fact is, all these accusations are unsubstantiated, yet the anti BoP control lobby think it's acceptable to use it as an argument to punish the entire industry, professional and amateur.

In the same line of thought, I'd like to know what percentage of pheasants get killed by BOP to see if control is justified. I'd be suprised if its more than gets killed on the road.

 

 

I'd agree with you there Baw, the problem itself has to be quantified to even begin to justify any change in legislation. I'm pretty sure there are a number of studies on exactly that though. Not to hand right now.

 

Only point I'd raise with you is the direct acts of killing are only part of the problem. Indirectly the constant presence of predators like Buzzards at the release pens causes hell, it pushes the birds from the safety of the pen at an age where they're really not ready for the world away from the woods of their pen and the constant stress from constant avian predation does them no good at all.

 

So actual BoP kills alone is only half the problem.

[Born Hunter 17,809]

 

 

So what logic are we working to? If you haven't seen it and we can't provide photo evidence it didn't happen?

LOL, no that doesn't mean it didn't happen. This is the same as with the God thread, we say "you have no proof of God therefore why believe he exists?", they say "yeah, but you can't prove he doesn't". It's a pointless logic and nothing in our society is based on such a pointless logic. If I accused you of a serious crime, I would be expected to substantiate my claims with evidence, otherwise they are rightly considered utterly meaningless.

 

The reason I asked for proof, is because everytime BoP control is mentioned the "huge amounts of birds are dumped" argument always comes up like it justifies 100% protection to these predators. I want some numbers so we can quantify how many birds are dumped and see wheather or not the term "huge amounts" is justified. Otherwise these claims are completely meaningless.

 

If 5% of all birds shot nationally are found to be being dumped by a total of say 2% of shoots nationwide, is the term "huge amounts" really justified? But we don't know do we.......... because the fact is, all these accusations are unsubstantiated, yet the anti BoP control lobby think it's acceptable to use it as an argument to punish the entire industry, professional and amateur.

What numbers have you got? that substantiate the claims of keepers that bop are a major threat to game birds...

 

 

The studies are out there mate, I beleive NE gave a license on the back of one to a shoot to destroy nests last year.

[TOMO 26,742]

I know where the proof is from road kills, I've got a dent on my passenger f*****g door from one of the dumb fucks how anybody who shoots these dumb flying bricks finds it a challenge is beyond me.

So you have never shot one then,,,,, I thought I was the bollox with a gun till I went on beaters day,,,, I'm fecking useless ,,, there hard to hit mate I can tell thee,, especially them fecking partridges ....

 

I'm much happier shooting them at night,,, they sit still then,,,lol

[baw 4,360]

 

 

 

 

So what logic are we working to? If you haven't seen it and we can't provide photo evidence it didn't happen?

 

LOL, no that doesn't mean it didn't happen. This is the same as with the God thread, we say "you have no proof of God therefore why believe he exists?", they say "yeah, but you can't prove he doesn't". It's a pointless logic and nothing in our society is based on such a pointless logic. If I accused you of a serious crime, I would be expected to substantiate my claims with evidence, otherwise they are rightly considered utterly meaningless.

 

The reason I asked for proof, is because everytime BoP control is mentioned the "huge amounts of birds are dumped" argument always comes up like it justifies 100% protection to these predators. I want some numbers so we can quantify how many birds are dumped and see wheather or not the term "huge amounts" is justified. Otherwise these claims are completely meaningless.

 

If 5% of all birds shot nationally are found to be being dumped by a total of say 2% of shoots nationwide, is the term "huge amounts" really justified? But we don't know do we.......... because the fact is, all these accusations are unsubstantiated, yet the anti BoP control lobby think it's acceptable to use it as an argument to punish the entire industry, professional and amateur.

In the same line of thought, I'd like to know what percentage of pheasants get killed by BOP to see if control is justified. I'd be suprised if its more than gets killed on the road.

I'd agree with you there Baw, the problem itself has to be quantified to even begin to justify any change in legislation. I'm pretty sure there are a number of studies on exactly that though. Not to hand right now.

 

Only point I'd raise with you is the direct acts of killing are only part of the problem. Indirectly the constant presence of predators like Buzzards at the release pens causes hell, it pushes the birds from the safety of the pen at an age where they're really not ready for the world away from the woods of their pen and the constant stress from constant avian predation does them no good at all.

 

So actual BoP kills alone is only half the problem.

Yea mate but if we go down the road of killing every BOP or bird that spooks them, we'd be as well giving up lol.

[clipo 871]

 

 

I'd delete this thread, too many guys giving the antis ammo.

the irony

I was thinking more trappa post lol. Here mate, not a bad morning, both Darcy and lab in the keep net and it's not even 10 yet