Stud Dogs

[lucky 578]

Back in them days I bet more dogs were closer related than people thought.

Without the internet and phones etc people could only use dogs they would of known about not what they've read about.

Most would of used local dogs and after a few years of using each other's dogs the breeding would of got tighter.

[Glyn..... 5,208]

Interesting topic, good reading and good honest posts on the subject.

Whilst I have seen and dug to some good Smithy offspring, most of those were off bitches of 'similar' lineage and though IMO, looking back, putting Smithy to open stud probably helped some folk with a great starting baseline or improved stock, it really was all about the coin...

If Smithy, or a dog of his type, was about now should he be put to open stud?

Not a fecking chance...! Look at that photo Glyn put up, look at the age of it. We live in a different world now. No Pre-Loved or Pets for Homes, Done Deal or all the others back then, no huge Yank market (though Ken did help to form it!) no half million sudo-hunters all with a 'well-ard' dog off this line, that line and the other fecking line and no internet forums either....!!

Nope, the worlds moved on and open stud... For whatever the fee, would do more harm than good....

with out a doubt different times and most of the bitches back then would of been from working kennels back then the blacks did shit at shows

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Travel or lack of it also played a part as did the right to fully test a terrier .IMO a true stud dog worth its weight in gold is one that will throw time and time again to type bitches .Ive said it before but a dog to me is the backbone to any line and should be used until he is just reaching old age despite the old saying .i try a few dogs whilst he is alive just to see if they throw what i want and to provide another stud .Casualties do happen and you have to think long and hard about a replacement .I think nowadays people are too quick to use a dog just because it works even if its thrown shite ,thinking it must produce some time,but that just my opinion .

[Huntermanic 22]

I got a terrier here mate he is scared of the dark and jacked twice but he has got a massive nob and will show a bitch a good time

no dog is scared of the dark but most are scared of whats in the dark.

[Irishman 117]

Nice patt in the pic hunter u from N.I or across the water?

[WEDGEY 753]

 

Sorted it Bryan thanks mate! King puck do you find that the bitches come better than the dogs in that line?

can't speak for line wedgey but in the last five or six years we have found that the biggest ratio of pups that turned out worker's have been bitches , so maybe your right

King puck are the lad that loaned a dog Up north about two year's ago

[KING PUCK 14]

 

 

Sorted it Bryan thanks mate! King puck do you find that the bitches come better than the dogs in that line?

can't speak for line wedgey but in the last five or six years we have found that the biggest ratio of pups that turned out worker's have been bitches , so maybe your right

King puck are the lad that loaned a dog Up north about two year's ago

sent you a pm wedgey

[rob284 1,682]

Bang on foxdropper.

Why would anyone want to put there dog up at open stud when it should be getting put back over close relatives.

to help others in need of a good bitch needing a pup. A good stud with a good bitch can throw good pups, the more a good dog is bred off, the more the working genes will run in the breed, keeping it in tight circles is selfish and beyond me, if someone asked me for a line i wouldnt turn them down because it would ruin the dogs rep... Bollox

[fat man 4,741]

 

Bang on foxdropper.

Why would anyone want to put there dog up at open stud when it should be getting put back over close relatives.

to help others in need of a good bitch needing a pup. A good stud with a good bitch can throw good pups, the more a good dog is bred off, the more the working genes will run in the breed, keeping it in tight circles is selfish and beyond me, if someone asked me for a line i wouldnt turn them down because it would ruin the dogs rep... Bollox

 

I have to disagree Rob,as if you get a service for your bitch that has done everything you have asked of her and more and the stud dog you choose has no links what so ever to said bitch and eventually has we will say 4 pups.Now the same stud dog may have built itself up a reputation as a good honest working dog and a producer but if none of the pups make the grade are you goin to say its the bitchs side of the mating that the problem lies,no the stud dog will be blamed and it dont take long for news to travell among terrier lads,Foxdropper is spot on,keep it tight,enough shite been bred out there already.

[KING PUCK 14]

 

 

 

Sorted it Bryan thanks mate! King puck do you find that the bitches come better than the dogs in that line?

can't speak for line wedgey but in the last five or six years we have found that the biggest ratio of pups that turned out worker's have been bitches , so maybe your right

King puck are the lad that loaned a dog Up north about two year's ago

sent you a pm wedgey

[rob284 1,682]

So to stop more shit being bred. Dont let people use good studs, keep em for yourselves and let em breed of untested studs. Makes sense....dog reputation lol

[KING PUCK 14]

 

 

 

Sorted it Bryan thanks mate! King puck do you find that the bitches come better than the dogs in that line?

can't speak for line wedgey but in the last five or six years we have found that the biggest ratio of pups that turned out worker's have been bitches , so maybe your right

King puck are the lad that loaned a dog Up north about two year's ago

sent you a pm wedgey

glad to hear they're doing well wedgey , me own done well this season looking forward to next season. I will get W to contact you if thats alright

[WEDGEY 753]

Thanks mate! Did the English man get in contact with you about the black bitches

[smasher 1,055]

Personly I don't think a stud should be open to every Tom,Dick and Harry,but if a genuine lad has a genuine bitch,i don't see the problem,we all had to start some where,if the pairing don't gel and the lad is genuine then he will put it down to experience and not shift blame on to the stud,

Edited March 27, 2014 by smasher

[WEDGEY 753]

I can't Get my head round this smasher if you had a top Dog you'd let anyone used it for free just to help them out