Goverment Taking The Piss Again

[paulus 26]

I can't put any seed out when they're in residence, nothing else gets a look in.. The free range chicken farm down the road looses thousands of pounds worth of feed to them. They've got a licence to control them.

good job starlings don't have hooked beaks mate or else they would be in the doodar

[Malt 379]

 

I can't put any seed out when they're in residence, nothing else gets a look in.. The free range chicken farm down the road looses thousands of pounds worth of feed to them. They've got a licence to control them.

 

good job starlings don't have hooked beaks mate or else they would be in the doodar

No shortage of them round here either mate.. Goshawks, buzzards, kites, etc!

[paulus 26]

 

 

I can't put any seed out when they're in residence, nothing else gets a look in.. The free range chicken farm down the road looses thousands of pounds worth of feed to them. They've got a licence to control them.

good job starlings don't have hooked beaks mate or else they would be in the doodar

No shortage of them round here either mate.. Goshawks, buzzards, kites, etc!

 

apparently according to some we have more buzzards than mallards

[TOPPER 1,809]

what do you expect its a govt dept and we all know there full of educted idiot s tryin to justify there existance and big fat salary

[General lee 979]

There used to be flocks of starlings round here but in the last three to four years I see hardly any maybe a flock of twenty or so same goes for the mallard there were quite a few breeding pairs on the river and even more on the fishing lakes this year and last year I have seen one pair on the river and none on the fishing lakes don't know if they are being controlled or not

[J Darcy 5,871]

 

 

Quack!

 

amber, ffs where have these people been looking.

 

Err ..... At the entire length and breadth of the British Isles, mate.

 

You, or I might glance out our window and get a snap shot of what we Think is going on out there ~ like my own, famous 'six or seven great tits'

 

But, the BTO employs a vast network of dedicated observers, right across the land, who specifically go out and head count every single specimen and send in their official reports, to be number crunched by specialist scientists at HQ.

 

That's what they do. It's what I do. It's why I ring birds. I also head count and report their presence. Times that by the millions of us doing it and, if ye'll forgive me for saying;

 

I'd Think the BTO has a rather better grasp of the bigger picture that you or I

 

On their website the BTO graph shows the Mallard population rising and rising and rising.....

[Outlaw Pete 2,224]

That was one of their websites, JD. And, if the populations now booming upwards? Cool. I'm sure they'll soon be relegated from the Amber List. Not sure that's within the remit of BTO though. We count and quantify birds. We don't get involved with legislation.

 

Anyone care to suggest who else, except the BTO ~ and perhaps our Paulus ~ can be trusted to come up with the deadly accurate figures successive govt's have relied on for decades?

[Nik_B 3,790]

There used to be flocks of starlings round here but in the last three to four years I see hardly any maybe a flock of twenty or so same goes for the mallard there were quite a few breeding pairs on the river and even more on the fishing lakes this year and last year I have seen one pair on the river and none on the fishing lakes don't know if they are being controlled or not

 

 

Seem some absolutely massive flocks of them this year mainly up in the peak district/derbyshire, also in Wales.

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

 

It gets worse than that, they want to allow the addling of mallard eggs on the open GL. (obviously they have been granting too many special licences for this) remember the Mallard is a declining national and international species, now we know the reason if council workers have been protecting the townie hoard from getting duck poop on their nice clean pink Nike trainers when out jogging! Greylag also are a proposal to add the the GL. Meanwhile Wildfowling clubs have just spent the last 50 years trying to re-establish a UK breeding stock, Geese live a long time and have to be fully mature before raising their own young and are very vunerable to shooting during the molt or when nesting or even over shooting in season. Allowing all and sundry to have a go during the off season could be a disaster (this UK stock was previously reduced to almost nil in the days of the early muzzle loader)

I do tend to agree that the GL has been abused for sport by some, Woodpigeon roosting and nesting thirty miles from a crop are hard to justify. Though is trailing non lythal means and trapping effective? If you release a crow into another area the resident crows will kill it and even if you could kill after capture will one catch in a Larsen prove it works and stop shooting on that ground? This sort of thing only shows their lack of hands on knowledge and we all know what crazy legislation has been forced onto us in the past through this!

What this shows is a real need to stand shoulder to shoulder, trust me some in English nature are very much lacking in real knowledge. I came across one senior person who was new to the job from Uni and was totally unaware that migratory wildfowl were being shot in season around the UK within the law and had been for hundreds of years, while in other areas the clubs are their biggest asset in conservation work and "box ticking".

 

Stand up and fight these three issues non lythal control 1. Actual trials of non lythal 2. ruining mallard eggs (on the reasons stated they are in decline) 3. out of season greylags (local special GL has previously been granted on the Egyptian goose in the past so and also on the greylag in the Scottish islands)

 

Go to the NE website and place your thoughts just put no-comment or similar on the stuff that doesn't effect us but please comment on these 3 issues

 

Who on earth has told you mallards are in decline. There's never been so many, and that goes for Greylag's too.

The fact is that Mallards do need to be put on GL, they are everywhere and do not do the ecosystem any favours at all.

and the fact that they're so god dammed tasty too

[J Darcy 5,871]

That was one of their websites, JD. And, if the populations now booming upwards? Cool. I'm sure they'll soon be relegated from the Amber List. Not sure that's within the remit of BTO though. We count and quantify birds. We don't get involved with legislation.

 

Anyone care to suggest who else, except the BTO ~ and perhaps our Paulus ~ can be trusted to come up with the deadly accurate figures successive govt's have relied on for decades?

I fully agree, I am not anti BTO, on the contrary.....I think they do a wonderful job.

[paulus 26]

That was one of their websites, JD. And, if the populations now booming upwards? Cool. I'm sure they'll soon be relegated from the Amber List. Not sure that's within the remit of BTO though. We count and quantify birds. We don't get involved with legislation.

 

Anyone care to suggest who else, except the BTO ~ and perhaps our Paulus ~ can be trusted to come up with the deadly accurate figures successive govt's have relied on for decades?

more left hand and right hand uncoordinated facts why put facts out that you contradict on another website they only muddy the waters that affect a good few more than the BTO and why were there. how can a bloke over the water tell me what i see daily is wrong ,because he has believes the BTO are all and mighty. there that mighty that they don't even bother to answer emails unless anyone else on here who has contacted them to join off here can say different as there was a few of us who had no reply

[yellowdog 12]

 

It gets worse than that, they want to allow the addling of mallard eggs on the open GL. (obviously they have been granting too many special licences for this) remember the Mallard is a declining national and international species, now we know the reason if council workers have been protecting the townie hoard from getting duck poop on their nice clean pink Nike trainers when out jogging! Greylag also are a proposal to add the the GL. Meanwhile Wildfowling clubs have just spent the last 50 years trying to re-establish a UK breeding stock, Geese live a long time and have to be fully mature before raising their own young and are very vunerable to shooting during the molt or when nesting or even over shooting in season. Allowing all and sundry to have a go during the off season could be a disaster (this UK stock was previously reduced to almost nil in the days of the early muzzle loader)

I do tend to agree that the GL has been abused for sport by some, Woodpigeon roosting and nesting thirty miles from a crop are hard to justify. Though is trailing non lythal means and trapping effective? If you release a crow into another area the resident crows will kill it and even if you could kill after capture will one catch in a Larsen prove it works and stop shooting on that ground? This sort of thing only shows their lack of hands on knowledge and we all know what crazy legislation has been forced onto us in the past through this!

What this shows is a real need to stand shoulder to shoulder, trust me some in English nature are very much lacking in real knowledge. I came across one senior person who was new to the job from Uni and was totally unaware that migratory wildfowl were being shot in season around the UK within the law and had been for hundreds of years, while in other areas the clubs are their biggest asset in conservation work and "box ticking".

 

Stand up and fight these three issues non lythal control 1. Actual trials of non lythal 2. ruining mallard eggs (on the reasons stated they are in decline) 3. out of season greylags (local special GL has previously been granted on the Egyptian goose in the past so and also on the greylag in the Scottish islands)

 

Go to the NE website and place your thoughts just put no-comment or similar on the stuff that doesn't effect us but please comment on these 3 issues

Who on earth has told you mallards are in decline. There's never been so many, and that goes for Greylag's too.

The fact is that Mallards do need to be put on GL, they are everywhere and do not do the ecosystem any favours at all.

 

 

Common knowledge internationally and nationally from bird counts, all wildfowl are monitored and we have international commitments to do so every year.

Greylag are locally abundant in a few areas, much work is being done to build numbers in others. Local GL has been done with other geese in the past as has been the case with special licence

Give me some facts to your claims on the mallard now please, currently I am pursuing the NE data under freedom of information as to the special licences that have been granted. I should therefore value any actual facts on the counter claim argument beyond say so

[yellowdog 12]

 

 

It gets worse than that, they want to allow the addling of mallard eggs on the open GL. (obviously they have been granting too many special licences for this) remember the Mallard is a declining national and international species, now we know the reason if council workers have been protecting the townie hoard from getting duck poop on their nice clean pink Nike trainers when out jogging! Greylag also are a proposal to add the the GL. Meanwhile Wildfowling clubs have just spent the last 50 years trying to re-establish a UK breeding stock, Geese live a long time and have to be fully mature before raising their own young and are very vunerable to shooting during the molt or when nesting or even over shooting in season. Allowing all and sundry to have a go during the off season could be a disaster (this UK stock was previously reduced to almost nil in the days of the early muzzle loader)

I do tend to agree that the GL has been abused for sport by some, Woodpigeon roosting and nesting thirty miles from a crop are hard to justify. Though is trailing non lythal means and trapping effective? If you release a crow into another area the resident crows will kill it and even if you could kill after capture will one catch in a Larsen prove it works and stop shooting on that ground? This sort of thing only shows their lack of hands on knowledge and we all know what crazy legislation has been forced onto us in the past through this!

What this shows is a real need to stand shoulder to shoulder, trust me some in English nature are very much lacking in real knowledge. I came across one senior person who was new to the job from Uni and was totally unaware that migratory wildfowl were being shot in season around the UK within the law and had been for hundreds of years, while in other areas the clubs are their biggest asset in conservation work and "box ticking".

 

Stand up and fight these three issues non lythal control 1. Actual trials of non lythal 2. ruining mallard eggs (on the reasons stated they are in decline) 3. out of season greylags (local special GL has previously been granted on the Egyptian goose in the past so and also on the greylag in the Scottish islands)

 

Go to the NE website and place your thoughts just put no-comment or similar on the stuff that doesn't effect us but please comment on these 3 issues

Who on earth has told you mallards are in decline. There's never been so many, and that goes for Greylag's too.

The fact is that Mallards do need to be put on GL, they are everywhere and do not do the ecosystem any favours at all.

and the fact that they're so god dammed tasty too

 

 

I totally agree as a wildfowler this isn't about being able to murder grown ducks in summer its about egg spoiling

[paulus 26]

 

 

 

It gets worse than that, they want to allow the addling of mallard eggs on the open GL. (obviously they have been granting too many special licences for this) remember the Mallard is a declining national and international species, now we know the reason if council workers have been protecting the townie hoard from getting duck poop on their nice clean pink Nike trainers when out jogging! Greylag also are a proposal to add the the GL. Meanwhile Wildfowling clubs have just spent the last 50 years trying to re-establish a UK breeding stock, Geese live a long time and have to be fully mature before raising their own young and are very vunerable to shooting during the molt or when nesting or even over shooting in season. Allowing all and sundry to have a go during the off season could be a disaster (this UK stock was previously reduced to almost nil in the days of the early muzzle loader)

I do tend to agree that the GL has been abused for sport by some, Woodpigeon roosting and nesting thirty miles from a crop are hard to justify. Though is trailing non lythal means and trapping effective? If you release a crow into another area the resident crows will kill it and even if you could kill after capture will one catch in a Larsen prove it works and stop shooting on that ground? This sort of thing only shows their lack of hands on knowledge and we all know what crazy legislation has been forced onto us in the past through this!

What this shows is a real need to stand shoulder to shoulder, trust me some in English nature are very much lacking in real knowledge. I came across one senior person who was new to the job from Uni and was totally unaware that migratory wildfowl were being shot in season around the UK within the law and had been for hundreds of years, while in other areas the clubs are their biggest asset in conservation work and "box ticking".

 

Stand up and fight these three issues non lythal control 1. Actual trials of non lythal 2. ruining mallard eggs (on the reasons stated they are in decline) 3. out of season greylags (local special GL has previously been granted on the Egyptian goose in the past so and also on the greylag in the Scottish islands)

 

Go to the NE website and place your thoughts just put no-comment or similar on the stuff that doesn't effect us but please comment on these 3 issues

Who on earth has told you mallards are in decline. There's never been so many, and that goes for Greylag's too.

The fact is that Mallards do need to be put on GL, they are everywhere and do not do the ecosystem any favours at all.

and the fact that they're so god dammed tasty too

 

 

I totally agree as a wildfowler this isn't about being able to murder grown ducks in summer its about egg spoiling

 

no this thread is actually about having to shout shoo before shooting for crop protection

[yellowdog 12]

 

Quack!

 

amber, ffs where have these people been looking. last week i counted over 70 between 2 canal bridges a distance of no more than half a mile

 

 

According to what I see late spring here the Hen Harrier isn't faring too bad, The male did a fly by every day at 5-5:30 I might just have to rely on what other experts say of its status nationally though