JDHUNTING 1,817 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 and many of the kills inhumane according to government report. Thats the end of that then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
terryd 8,599 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 link here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-26369306 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 160 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 No. What's being speculated upon is a leak of the report which has not yet been published. They've said that less than 5% of the badgers witnessed appeared to twitch and move for anything up to five minutes and that it was not possible to ascertain if they were dead. Anyone here ever been in an abattoir? I've seen sides of beef still twitching half an hour after they were slaughtered. They were very dead. I killed quite a few badgers myself, and saw a large number killed by others. Not one of them was wounded, or did not die instantly. Anyone who has done a bit of killing would be unsurprised by their reactions to shot. Let me make this clear; certain parties have a vested interest in discrediting what happened at every opportunity. Sadly, they are very good at manipulating the media, and even better at manipulating the truth. The culling trial was humane. The culling trial was effective. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDHUNTING 1,817 Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 No. What's being speculated upon is a leak of the report which has not yet been published. They've said that less than 5% of the badgers witnessed appeared to twitch and move for anything up to five minutes and that it was not possible to ascertain if they were dead. Anyone here ever been in an abattoir? I've seen sides of beef still twitching half an hour after they were slaughtered. They were very dead. I killed quite a few badgers myself, and saw a large number killed by others. Not one of them was wounded, or did not die instantly. Anyone who has done a bit of killing would be unsurprised by their reactions to shot. Let me make this clear; certain parties have a vested interest in discrediting what happened at every opportunity. Sadly, they are very good at manipulating the media, and even better at manipulating the truth. The culling trial was humane. The culling trial was effective. I dont doubt any of that and you cant beat a first hand account unfortunately thats not how the beeb portray it and once again the lefties win the battle of public opinion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) Matt. I'm replying with a because we're not allowed to Like moderator posts. Edited February 28, 2014 by ChrisJones 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDHUNTING 1,817 Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 I just seen their quoting the cost as £7,290,000 source.....an animal welfare charity. Nice and impartial. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,372 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Matt. I'm replying with a because we're not allowed to Like moderator posts. I'll like yours a one for Matt lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arnieboy 93 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 how can a cull be affective if the antis are told when and were its going to be carried out ???? disruption and other tatctics used may have made it a lot harder to work 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PIL 7 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Matt. I'm replying with a because we're not allowed to Like moderator posts. I'll like yours a one for Matt lol +1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 160 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 The worst case scenario is that any future culling operations will be restricted to cage trapping only, which has been proven over three decades to be humane. Jayboy is making a song and dance about some information which came from a FOI request regarding NE monitoring. I'm very familiar with one of the incidents mentioned, because I happened to be working closely with the contractor concerned at the time. What happened was that whilst waiting at a bait point with the monitor, a badger presented itself. The contractor wasn't happy to take a shot and the badger was spooked and ran off. The monitor concerned showed her frustration with certain body language, as she hadn't actually witnessed a kill at that point. A couple of minutes later, a badger ran down a hedge towards them and the contractor took a shot at it knowing that the monitor was keen to see a kill. The shot was an instinctive one, taken as the badger came towards them and it was cleanly killed with a head shot at less than 10 yards with a centrefire .22. Now what's the problem with that? Well, as I and others had to point out at the time, it was not within the guidelines for free shooting which clearly state that head shots are not allowed. Was in inhumane? No, of course not. Was it inefficient? No, it was dead. Now just sit back and watch the fuss made about it by the animal rights lobby.... "guidelines not followed" etc, etc, blah, blah, blah.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 how can a test of a culling method even be ineffective Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 160 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 how can a cull be affective if the antis are told when and were its going to be carried out ???? disruption and other tatctics used may have made it a lot harder to work It's a good question. To their credit, this cull was much easier than the RBCT because it was carried out by a private company who are not obliged to release information like a government department. Social media had a big impact; the antis used it to good effect to organise opposition. Even without NE leaks they would have found us and when they did they mobilised themselves to cause the maximum disruption to operations. The job itself was actually done very efficiently and at a relatively low cost compared to previous culling operations. Sadly, the poor standard of policing at the start in Gloucestershire, and the actions of the antis pushed the police costs very high. Closing footpaths and actually enforcing the law (rather than taking a 'neighbourhood policing approach) would cut down 90% of the police bill. Will it happen? Watch this space.... As I stated on a previous thread, I had the pleasure of meeting the Secretary of State, the Farming Minister and the Chief Vet and all three seemed determined to see this thing through. 220 farmers are signed up for the Dorset Cull, and there is another area waiting in the wings. You'll all know when it's started, because providing I get that phone call again, I'll disappear for a few months Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PIL 7 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 Anyone seen YouTube where the rabbit was gutted and skinned and still twitching ? Maybe should be sent to the BBC and ask their views whether it was still alive Well done Matt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDHUNTING 1,817 Posted February 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 No offense to anyone who was involved but anyone who considers themselves a hunter or whatever should of told them to get to f**k an sort their own mess out. 30 yrs ago hunting demonised,badger hunting banned badger numbers explode disease is rife hunters asked to step in by government,result.....hunting demonised. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 160 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 No offense to anyone who was involved but anyone who considers themselves a hunter or whatever should of told them to get to f**k an sort their own mess out. 30 yrs ago hunting demonised,badger hunting banned badger numbers explode disease is rife hunters asked to step in by government,result.....hunting demonised. I'm not sure what you mean, but one point I would make is that the culling operations were not hunting in the sporting sense. It was a carefully managed culling operation more akin to a military operation than a sporting adventure. The local contractors worked hard, for little or no financial reward (in fact it cost some of them quite a lot of money) both day and night and some of them held down their normal jobs at the same time. They not only worked hard, but maintained a professional demeanour in the face of at times, extraordinary pressure from some very vocal, and often violent animal rights extremists who were aided and abetted by some very badly informed animal lovers who had no real idea what the issues were. My experience of the local contractors is of a group of people who put the countryside, and the welfare of all animals (including cattle) first. They did nothing to bring the hunting community into disrespect, and deserve the respect of everyone with an interest in the countryside. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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