Brigzy 1,298 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Malt, the Ukraine is a basket case economically; the Russians have been carrying them for years. They have never upgraded their military as the rest of the major powers have. The russians would roll over them. There is no government or civil service left, the military command is split between pro and anti Russian . Don't take everything you google as fact . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,798 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 "Nothing is going to happen", what, just like Georgia, Chechnya and Daghistan ? The Russians are unpredictable, always have been. If they think it's a threat, they will act. Chechnya and Dagestan were basically eradicating Islamic insurgent threats were they not? Justifiable. This is different to Georgia imo. The world is a different place and the great powers more respectful of each other imo. If Russia invade NATO will HAVE to act, they're not just going to let the Russians take the Ukrain back forceably. Might Russia act to secure their military bases? Is that acceptable? Maybe.......... but no way would they carry out an invasion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Malt, the Ukraine is a basket case economically; the Russians have been carrying them for years. They have never upgraded their military as the rest of the major powers have. The russians would roll over them. There is no government or civil service left, the military command is split between pro and anti Russian . Don't take everything you google as fact . Where do you get your facts from then Rich? Talk about facts all you want, but Russia might well roll over them but it would be at great cost and they'd get more than a bloody nose in the process.. You think those thousands of people out in the streets there at the minute would just stand idly by if Russia went in? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,200 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Malt, they inherited an obsolete diesel sub and a few aging frigates. .Really? What about the 5000 odd armoured vehicles they have in service and the couple of hundred jets? When the USSR fell they inherited all the military that was based in the country, and seeing as most of it was the main soviet ground force that would invade Western Europe in the event of a war, it was a f*****g lot! They also inherited nukes but they gave them up voluntarily.. The jet's are obsolete migs man Welsh attack sheep are more of a threat :laugh: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brigzy 1,298 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 No way ? Even the most clued up people who study world politics aren't saying "no way" ! As I said, the Russians are VERY unpredictable. I wouldn't hazard a guess what they will do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brigzy 1,298 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Malt, the Ukraine is a basket case economically; the Russians have been carrying them for years. They have never upgraded their military as the rest of the major powers have. The russians would roll over them. There is no government or civil service left, the military command is split between pro and anti Russian . Don't take everything you google as fact .Where do you get your facts from then Rich? Talk about facts all you want, but Russia might well roll over them but it would be at great cost and they'd get more than a bloody nose in the process.. You think those thousands of people out in the streets there at the minute would just stand idly by if Russia went in? Rich ???? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,798 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 No way ? Even the most clued up people who study world politics aren't saying "no way" ! As I said, the Russians are VERY unpredictable. I wouldn't hazard a guess what they will do. Are we talking a Russian invasion? To what end? A Russian state of Ukrain? To secure military/naval bases at a time of civil unrest? How they react and the consiquences of those actions will have massive implications on how foreign states react. I'm saying IMO there's more chance of snow in hell than Russia invading Ukrain and taking control........ it'd cause WWIII. Would the West just stand by a watch in a dissgruntled maner? I guess we're about to find out....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Malt, the Ukraine is a basket case economically; the Russians have been carrying them for years. They have never upgraded their military as the rest of the major powers have. The russians would roll over them. There is no government or civil service left, the military command is split between pro and anti Russian . Don't take everything you google as fact .Where do you get your facts from then Rich? Talk about facts all you want, but Russia might well roll over them but it would be at great cost and they'd get more than a bloody nose in the process.. You think those thousands of people out in the streets there at the minute would just stand idly by if Russia went in? Rich ???? Thinking of someone else, sorry.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brigzy 1,298 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 No way ? Even the most clued up people who study world politics aren't saying "no way" ! As I said, the Russians are VERY unpredictable. I wouldn't hazard a guess what they will do. Are we talking a Russian invasion? To what end? A Russian state of Ukrain? To secure military/naval bases at a time of civil unrest? How they react and the consiquences of those actions will have massive implications on how foreign states react. I'm saying IMO there's more chance of snow in hell than Russia invading Ukrain and taking control........ it'd cause WWIII. Would the West just stand by a watch in a dissgruntled maner? I guess we're about to find out.......[/quot America has shifted its geopolitical stance since it has become self sufficient in energy away from the Middle East and Europe to the pacific rim and Asia. It couldn't care less about Ukraine. The EU has only one major power; US !!! No way should we get involved, it means nothing to us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,200 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 (edited) The Welsh assembly today announced they are sending the crack Welsh special forces in... Edited February 26, 2014 by mushroom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,798 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 They've changed their geopolitical stance....... maybe........... but they still invaded Iraq 10 years ago! They still initiated the attacks on Libya three years ago. They still wanted to level Syria last year! It's not changed that much. LOL. That stance has changed because of China and their growing power. Russia have been quiet, they're still closely watching them. It's only my opinion but I really don't believe that NATO are happy to see Russia start playing Cold War again...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,798 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 Lets just put this into perspective, Putin's got his troops doing drills to assess combat readiness....... that's no different to the Yanks flying a B52 over those disputed Jap islands when the Chinks included them in their air defence identification zone. It's just political muscle flexing 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RubyTex 1,957 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 What the f**k is Russia's problem with most other countries? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brigzy 1,298 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 They've changed their geopolitical stance....... maybe........... but they still invaded Iraq 10 years ago! They still initiated the attacks on Libya three years ago. They still wanted to level Syria last year! It's not changed that much. LOL. That stance has changed because of China and their growing power. Russia have been quiet, they're still closely watching them. It's only my opinion but I really don't believe that NATO are happy to see Russia start playing Cold War again......[/quote Taking back what they consider to be Russian anyway, would not be a return to the Cold War. Look at it from Russias point of view, ie that the EU is trying to take a country into its sphere that will take the EU up to the Russian border. I am in no way an apologist for Russia, but they are not trying to invade Western Europe, but trying to protect their own borders. However right or wrong that is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brigzy 1,298 Posted February 26, 2014 Report Share Posted February 26, 2014 They've changed their geopolitical stance....... maybe........... but they still invaded Iraq 10 years ago! They still initiated the attacks on Libya three years ago. They still wanted to level Syria last year! It's not changed that much. LOL. That stance has changed because of China and their growing power. Russia have been quiet, they're still closely watching them. It's only my opinion but I really don't believe that NATO are happy to see Russia start playing Cold War again......[/quote No mate, the yanks refused to get involved in Syria; that's why we backed out, quite rightly, as well. The wars in the Middle East were because of oil, but now, due to cracking, the US has no need for Middle East oil, so has moved on to Asia. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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