Alrounder X Alrounder

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

People talk about the all rounder as if it is a mythical creature.

 

Shouldn't a decent working lurcher do everything that has been mentioned?

 

Scent it's quarry and get in cover to push it out, stay outside the cover if working with terrier or spaniels etc, have a crack at the full spectrum of game (pre ban obviously) - R/H/F/D, work with the gun to a standard of flushing and retrieving, work the lamp, work with ferrets, marking sets and catching bolters, respecting nets etc.

 

Then be equally as happy curled up in the pub after and by the fire at home.

 

My bitch does all of this (the legal stuff) except her retrieve is hit and miss, and I will be disappointed if I can't do all of this with my pup when she is 2-3 years old. I don't think I'm asking too much.

[mushroom 12,987]

 

 

Bull X x Coursing dog in my veiw hard to beat as all-round dog

. Depends what you would class as an alrounder. As most lurcher work is rabbiting I feel that a bull x would not fall into that category unless you like your meat minced! Would have thought a collie x would suit better just mo

 

not all bull x mince rabbits .....you be surprised some of the gamest dogs bring rabbits back alive ,plus were talking about all rounder here and not rabbiter even if were talking in past tense as in pre ban....I class an all rounder as a dog that takes most game if not all not a rabbit dog

 

Never fully understood why Trev would be so gentle with rabbits and hares

 

never owned a dog that minced rabbits maybe i have never owned a dog that felt threatened enough by one to even bother to kill it though

Used to laugh when the judges and competitors would say my staff would tear apart the rabbits, what's that creature doing entering this scurry etc

 

Eat ya words you cunnts she just beat 99% of your so called gundog breed entries :laugh:

Edited March 1, 2014 by mushroom

[DEERMAN 1,020]

People talk about the all rounder as if it is a mythical creature.

 

Shouldn't a decent working lurcher do everything that has been mentioned?

 

Scent it's quarry and get in cover to push it out, stay outside the cover if working with terrier or spaniels etc, have a crack at the full spectrum of game (pre ban obviously) - R/H/F/D, work with the gun to a standard of flushing and retrieving, work the lamp, work with ferrets, marking sets and catching bolters, respecting nets etc.

 

Then be equally as happy curled up in the pub after and by the fire at home.

 

My bitch does all of this (the legal stuff) except her retrieve is hit and miss, and I will be disappointed if I can't do all of this with my pup when she is 2-3 years old. I don't think I'm asking too much.

Think everyone has different ideas what an all rounder is or should do ,and everyone can add shit loads to the all ready mentioned list ,I wonder how many would give their dogs the chance to do all these things and not just the odd once or twice?...Yes id like my dogs to do this and often ,but lets be real here ,we all have our preferred quarry and even going out 3/4 times a week pre ban id find it hard to run all this different quarry regular, as too me its not doing it the odd once or twice but often , or is an all rounder a jack of all trades and master of none ?

[sniper2011 69]

if a dog took every type of deer,red fallow sika roe cwd munty,fox rabbit hare,would that not be as close to an all rounder as you can get ? .

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

 

People talk about the all rounder as if it is a mythical creature.

 

Shouldn't a decent working lurcher do everything that has been mentioned?

 

Scent it's quarry and get in cover to push it out, stay outside the cover if working with terrier or spaniels etc, have a crack at the full spectrum of game (pre ban obviously) - R/H/F/D, work with the gun to a standard of flushing and retrieving, work the lamp, work with ferrets, marking sets and catching bolters, respecting nets etc.

 

Then be equally as happy curled up in the pub after and by the fire at home.

 

My bitch does all of this (the legal stuff) except her retrieve is hit and miss, and I will be disappointed if I can't do all of this with my pup when she is 2-3 years old. I don't think I'm asking too much.

Think everyone has different ideas what an all rounder is or should do ,and everyone can add shit loads to the all ready mentioned list ,I wonder how many would give their dogs the chance to do all these things and not just the odd once or twice?...Yes id like my dogs to do this and often ,but lets be real here ,we all have our preferred quarry and even going out 3/4 times a week pre ban id find it hard to run all this different quarry regular, as too me its not doing it the odd once or twice but often , or is an all rounder a jack of all trades and master of none ?

To me it's a jack of all trades.

 

I think the physical attributes of the dog required to be a "master" would prevent it being a "master" at all of R/H/F/D.

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

if a dog took every type of deer,red fallow sika roe cwd munty,fox rabbit hare,would that not be as close to an all rounder as you can get ? .

Sorry mis-read.

[DEERMAN 1,020]

 

if a dog took every type of deer,red fallow sika roe cwd munty,fox rabbit hare,would that not be as close to an all rounder as you can get ? .

Sorry mis-read.

 

think he missed Fox out mate by accident....but yes that's my idea of an all rounder

[mushroom 12,987]

Tbh I couldn't care less as long as the dog puts it's heart in and fills the freezer.

 

I'm looking for a dog right now, I've set my heart on a certain type if it turns out shit so be it. No dog no matter the lines and the parents is guaranteed!

[sniper2011 69]

 

 

if a dog took every type of deer,red fallow sika roe cwd munty,fox rabbit hare,would that not be as close to an all rounder as you can get ? .

Sorry mis-read.

 

think he missed Fox out mate by accident....but yes that's my idea of an all rounder

 

i did say fox,but to some it must also flush retreave and ferret,and do all this in the day,is there such a dog ?

[DEERMAN 1,020]

 

if a dog took every type of deer,red fallow sika roe cwd munty,fox rabbit hare,would that not be as close to an all rounder as you can get ? .

Sorry mis-read.

 

me too lol

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

 

 

 

 

if a dog took every type of deer,red fallow sika roe cwd munty,fox rabbit hare,would that not be as close to an all rounder as you can get ? .

Sorry mis-read.

think he missed Fox out mate by accident....but yes that's my idea of an all rounder

i did say fox,but to some it must also flush retreave and ferret,and do all this in the day,is there such a dog ?

Yes

[Ideation 8,216]

Never seen one and maybe I never will...

 

As has been said, to me a true top all round dog should be able to run down all quarry in all situations...

 

But not just the odd time during its career out of luck or circumstance. With enough regularity that it could be classed as a dog for that particular quarry and that when the chase is on you have good faith in the dog to pull off a positive result.

 

I've seen whippets take rabbit, hare, fox, deer, over their career... But they certainly weren't an all rounder by any stretch of the imagination!

 

Getting the right dog and getting it onto the right game, frequently enough to fully school and test it is a hell of a feat, which these days takes time, effort, guts and much more. These days it probably asks as much of the man as the dog....

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

These days it probably asks as much of the man as the dog....

[Bosun11 537]

I think Deerman is bang on the money here. I would say that dogs that really have caught a spectrum of varied quarry are not as mythical as you may think but is it just that or how often they have the opportunity to do it that makes 'em the all rounder...

 

Personally, if the owner gets himself here and there a fair bit and the dog is capable of putting in a decent days ferreting, hunt up and kill a hare, kill foxes regularly and has the gears and enough substance to take (and has taken) the larger species of deer. Then provided its owner works the dog both day and night and the dog was sensible, biddable and level headed then any other quarry or discipline, I may have missed, is just down to time and availability, because if these were in abundance the dog would be able to do everything...

Then is that not the mythical all-rounder, because if it ain't, what is....????

[fox digger 1,086]

 

 

People talk about the all rounder as if it is a mythical creature.

 

Shouldn't a decent working lurcher do everything that has been mentioned?

 

Scent it's quarry and get in cover to push it out, stay outside the cover if working with terrier or spaniels etc, have a crack at the full spectrum of game (pre ban obviously) - R/H/F/D, work with the gun to a standard of flushing and retrieving, work the lamp, work with ferrets, marking sets and catching bolters, respecting nets etc.

 

Then be equally as happy curled up in the pub after and by the fire at home.

 

My bitch does all of this (the legal stuff) except her retrieve is hit and miss, and I will be disappointed if I can't do all of this with my pup when she is 2-3 years old. I don't think I'm asking too much.

Think everyone has different ideas what an all rounder is or should do ,and everyone can add shit loads to the all ready mentioned list ,I wonder how many would give their dogs the chance to do all these things and not just the odd once or twice?...Yes id like my dogs to do this and often ,but lets be real here ,we all have our preferred quarry and even going out 3/4 times a week pre ban id find it hard to run all this different quarry regular, as too me its not doing it the odd once or twice but often , or is an all rounder a jack of all trades and master of none ?

To me it's a jack of all trades.

 

I think the physical attributes of the dog required to be a "master" would prevent it being a "master" at all of R/H/F/D.

 

 

i totally agree here and with all due respect to everyone and there individual thoughts and preferences i think an all rounder is a jack of trades but master of none...

 

a saluki hybred specializes in hares, to get better than that cross for that job is nigh on impossible,

 

lets call a spade a spade and say that the bull cross pretty much has the fox game summed up and when it comes to numbers i think this cross would still be going when others start to yield to the punishment,

 

for ferreting it would be hard to improve on a little whippet cross imo,

 

deer..... i dont really know about, is there a specific cross that excelled at them? from my experience it was down to the individual dog and ive seen several different lurcher make ups do as good as each other.

 

so my point is if you have a dog that will take all of the above regular it is a decent animal and in my opinion a capable allrounder....

 

but will it be as good and take as many and as much stick as a bull hound on foxes???

 

will it be as quick off the mark and as nimble as the whippet cross out ferreting??

 

could you match the allrounder to a top class coursing dog on the fens??

 

the answer to all of the above is NO. to be decent at all game means sacrificing in some areas to gain in others. if you want consistant big numbers at a specific game then just get the cross that everyone else uses and has perfected for that quarry. ie fox, get a bull hound. hare get a saluki hybred.

 

if you are like me and want to do a little bit of everything then get somthing with speed and wind for a hare, not too heavy for rabbits, guts to tackle a fox (or two or possible 3 if the oppertunity arose) and the ability and determination to run and pull bigger game.

 

If you dont agree that doesnt mean your right and im wrong, that is the simplest way to put what i think it works. is there a horse bred yet than can win a grand national, showjump to grand prix level, have all the fancy foot work to win dressage competitions and hunt hounds off him at the weekend??? NOPE, but you could get a horse to do all these to an extent but not to top level..................