Advice needed

[jultaylor1972 2]

My mate has just this minute phoned me to say that his dog bit him earlier tonight and he had to go to hospital with puncture wounds, he's now on antibiotics and had to have a tetanus injection. The dog is 2 years old and he only just got him two weeks ago from someone who was unable to keep him any longer. He gave the dog a bone and his son went near him but he growled so my mate took the bone straight off him and was bitten in the process. Now, he said his immediate thoughts were to get the dog PTS in the morning but has since changed his mind and has decided that no more bones are to come into the house The rest of the time he has had him the dog has been loving and loyal and is getting used to going for walks after months of only going out occasionally, I went to the beach with them the other day and the poor dog didnt even know what sand was He ran off the beach onto the ground and it took ages to get him used to it!! Im a great believer in NO dog can be 100% trusted no matter what the breed but what are peoples opinions on him keeping the dog bearing in mind he is ok the rest of the time and its only come to light that he cant have a bone safely?? Your opinions will be very much appreciated as my mate is quite upset that its happened and to be honest, Im not sure how best to advise him

[HUNTSMAN270 30]

.32 for it if it was mine and i had children what happen if it takes a childs ball or toy child goes get it back off dog and dog turns on child to late then

[nelson 0]

Simoman is the bloke to answer this one.

 

What sort of dog was it by the way ?

 

I had a bull terrier years back and we had to lock the feckin thing up when it had a bone as no one could go anywhere near the cow

[Kay 3,709]

i wouldnt keep a dog who had bitten ,how many chances do you give the animal , maybe a home with an experienced owner & no kids is a possibility

 

its also worth baring in mind the reason the other owner could no longer keep the dog,was it showing signs of aggression while with that other person ?

[RatSnatcher 0]

My Patt used to do the same ........my Mrs gave it such a good rolicking that it nipped it in the bud straight away and its not a problem anymore

[jultaylor1972 2]

.32 for it if it was mine and i had children what happen if it takes a childs ball or toy child goes get it back off dog and dog turns on child to late then

I hear what you are saying His son is 14yrs old and he NEVER leaves them alone together. One of my dogs goes off her trolley with a bone and burries it then stands guard over it growling at all who go near, mind you, I was able to take it off her without being bitten Now both my dogs dont have bones due to her behaviour.

[jultaylor1972 2]

Simoman is the bloke to answer this one.

 

What sort of dog was it by the way ?

 

I had a bull terrier years back and we had to lock the feckin thing up when it had a bone as no one could go anywhere near the cow

An English Bull Terrier who is normally a great dog.

[Guest MOLLY]

I would do the same as Ratsnatchers Mrs. It might be a bone now, but it could be a bowl, lead, toy, or dog bed tomorrow. Stamp out all aggression at all times for anything, otherwise it could lead to disasterous consequences. If you value your dogs and dont want them PTS for injuring a child or someone you will stop being so soft and do it. They are DOGS not little people.

MOLL.

[jultaylor1972 2]

From what I can gather the dog is in the dog house so to speak and is still cowering in the corner as I write this He's a sensible lad who did loads of research about the breed before he took the dog on. I just hope it works out for him in the end.

[Running 7]

pts i would not give it another chance who knows what might happern next time

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

And I'll bet all you " Kill the f*cking Dog " merchents reckon you're Real Dog Men, eh? And how many of ye keep ye Dogs locked up in back yard kennels ~ 'Because "Working" Dogs prefer that' ~ and just pop them straight into the van and let them out to chase something before being driven back to their cages? FFS. Because ye sure as hell don't sound like ye know Shit about Dogs. Jesus; Ye sound more like Politicians! Scary that such attitudes can exist amongst our own ranks.

 

 

Jules; Dogs and bones are a Lethal combination, love. Dog + Bone + Anything or One = Shit just about to kick off. I learned this from long and bitter experience. Maybe I'm a slow learner? But these days bones are completely verbotem in my house. I see one of mine fetch a bone in? I remove it straight away. I don't get bitten in the process because I've had my Dogs for years and we all live together, 24 / 7. They Know I'm the guvvnor. But even I excercise a little discretion!

 

Point of fact; Last night, as I write: I called my big Dog and he didn't come. I went out and found him backed in under a hedge, in the dark, gnawing at a bone (I know where it came from. Don't ask! ) My other Dogs were approaching him and he was growling like a good'n. Wound up and getting ever more protective of that bone by the second.

 

Did I fetch the rifle and kill him? Did I f*ck! Did I try to snatch his bone away? Do I Look like a complete idiot?! Hell no, I got me a six foot long fence post and prodded his bum. Up he got, growling at me now, and made off down the hedge. I went after him, gave him another poke and commanded him to Get In!

 

In he came. Sat on my bed, where he usually sits at that hour. Spell broken, he regained his senses and spat the bone out. He was back on My turf and knew his place. I picked up the bone and binned it. End of drama. See? Ye just have to have a basic clue about Dogs and how they tick.

 

Now, that Dog's new. F*ck what breed he is. That hardly matters. He's new. He doesn't know the score yet. He got himself something he thought he could truly call his own and then the world caved in and every man and his son was trying to take his little bit of comfort away. The Dog made a Bad in snapping (And it Was a snap, believe me. Dog bites for real? Whole different ball game) But look at the mistake ye friend made! Good grief! If I'd tried that with my big Dog last night? I doubt I'd be here to say this now. And I've known that Dog for years and can take liberties with him ye wouldn't believe. But I know also when to leave him the f*ck alone.

 

So, why don't we all just rewind a little here, eh? The Dog's new and ye man there doesn't seem that switched on around Dogs as it is. Fact that he feels the need to research a breed? How come he doesn't enough by simply having been around such, or any Dogs? Fact that he tried to take a bone from a wound up Dog says enough. Can we agree that it was six of one and half a dozen of the other?

 

Ok. Now what? Well, for a start; Has that Dog got it's own bed? By that, I mean a place of its own, right in the centre of things. In the living room. A proper, purpose produced and assigned Dog Bed. Not a blanket in a kitchen cupboard. Because it needs one. Even better, considering - but Please don't read this wrong - would be it's own 'crate' or cage, with it's bed in there. See, that gives the poor Dog it's very own space. Somewhere it can go to and be considered strictly out of bounds while it's there.

 

If he gets a cage, best way is to put the bed in there and lure the Dog in with treats. Little bits of raw meat. Then he can close the door and give it some more, through the bars with his fingers.

 

And that's another thing. The Dog starves. It starves absolutely to death Unless it feeds from All the families finger tips. It has a bowl of water available at all times. But no food bowl. The only food that Dog ever gets to see, for at least the next fortnight, is food offered by the family members finger tips. And it might be an idea to teach it to sit too, before it gets any. Make it the best part of that Dog and everyone elses day. The time when the people arrive to feed the Dog little chunks of raw meat from their fingers.

 

Then, when everyone's ready to settle, Dog is sent to bed in it's cage and, as soon as the doors closed, it gets a couple of bits of meat, through the bars. A Really quite disgustingly good Dog Man taught me all this. I applied it to Chain, my own, 'brought in at full grown without a clue as to' Rottwieler. Now I can barely keep her Out of that damn cage! In fact, after her breaks, if I don't get the lead off damn sharpish, she'll drag me in there too! She just can't wait for those couple of little cubes of meat she knows I'll always bring her once she's in there.

 

But ye see what I'm driving at here? The Dog learns, and thus quickly comes to accept, it's place in this new order. It's entire life is now regulated by the humans. But everything they do to said Dog is pleasurable to that Dog. That family become The Dogs B*llocks to that Dog. Even knowing what is expected of it and how to please its keepers is important to a Dog. And that Dog simply snapped out of Confusion. It's just never been taught the rules yet, so it made one up on the hop and made a bad choice. It's behaviour now shows it Knows it did wrong. Now it needs to be Taught what is Right.

 

Cage will cost a fraction more than an injection of pentobarbitone. Suggest ye mate runs through the drill I've outlined. After a couple of weeks, start leaving the cage door open and allow the Dog to come out and be around the family, as a house Dog should. And, most of all: Book the pair of them into Obediance Classes! Ye man there has a lot more to learn than the Dog. F*ck me; I knew before I could walk that ye Don't mess with a Dog and it's bones / food. By the time ye come to find ye can? By then it won't make any differance. Because ye'll have had so much experience with Dogs there's no way ye going to drive one to biting at ye anyway

[stubby 175]

as always, brill advice ditch, and a pleasure to read

[Guest Frank]

Glad it was not the poor 14 yr old lad that was seriously bit, or even worse.!!

Nowt rong with giving bones to dogs. They need their privacy when they have them.

Mine get put into their own kennels and left alone, not fecked about with.

I remove any left over bone, as soon as the dog has lost interest and out of the way.

No probs.

Respect, is what is needed.

As for overly aggresive dogs, ones that allways go for folk and are a danger, then personally, id put them down, no quetions asked.

Edited September 28, 2007 by Frank

[Simoman 110]

A difficult one without seeing the dog. I agree with both sentiments, I don't think I would keep a dog that displayed any aggression to anyone in my household as I couldn't live with myself if one of my kids were injured. The problem with this dog is hes only been intergrated into a new pack structure for two weeks, hes still learning his place and needs to be shown. Personally I would meet agrresioon with greater aggression, I don't mean beating the dog but ensuring he understands that possesive aggresion is not to be tolerated and Ditch is 100% right when he mentions getting a crate. The dog needs to have its own space. I would also get the dog into a routine of basic training, local dog clubs are great and set feeding times etc. Sorry don't have time for more but just looked at the clock and i'm late for work

[david2363 42]

Bones seem to bring out some kind of primeval behaviour in some dogs.

I have had "nice" dogs that would snarl and threaten if you went near them on a bone.

Conversely, the yearling Bedlington I have now (who can be a nasty little fecker) will let me take a bone right out of his jaws.

 

I know hindsight is a wonderful thing but if I had brought an adult English Bull into my household, I would no way give him a bone until I knew the dog better.

 

This dog should NOT be pts. Its not like he attacked a kid in the park.

This was down to human error and not the poor old dogs fault. JMHO.