Blackbriar 8,569 Posted February 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 DEFRA has got nothing to do with flood defences though mate, that's down to the Environment Agency.. They both get allotted their money from central government but how they spend it is down to them. If you want to vent spleen about the lack of money spent on flood defences and managing the rivers it should be directed at the EA.. They did deem spending £21 million on a bloody bird sanctuary more important than sending a few dredgers out after all.. So the EA isn't part of the Department for the ENVIRONMENT, food and rural affairs.............? I've posted on a seperate thread how the EA spending model favours urban over rural areas. How the EA spends it's money is most definitely NOT 'down to them' ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_stig 6,614 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 oh fook it still to clever for me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BIG G wheton machine 1,594 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 How many badgers will the flood cull at no extra expense? Who will the antis whinge at now? I wonder if any will drown gallantly saving Mr Brock. absolutely none, they're all a bunch of soap dodging trampy fcuked up ass holes 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brewman 1,192 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 How many badgers will the flood cull at no extra expense? Who will the antis whinge at now? I wonder if any will drown gallantly saving Mr Brock. absolutely none, they're all a bunch of soap dodging trampy fcuked up ass holes Jaysus Big G best you get off that fence before it hurts your hole lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BIG G wheton machine 1,594 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 How many badgers will the flood cull at no extra expense? Who will the antis whinge at now? I wonder if any will drown gallantly saving Mr Brock. absolutely none, they're all a bunch of soap dodging trampy fcuked up ass holes Jaysus Big G best you get off that fence before it hurts your hole lol it's happening slowly the demise of land and river management because of the anti brigade, they stopped dredging rivers that needed it and what's happening? Flooding everywhere because of ignorance. Same for tb? Cattle infected everywhere place over run with badgers. Can't do this because of this badgers human rights, can't do that because of that fishes human rights. But what about the rights of the humans affected ? Aye they're brushed to the side and ignored. To many people passing laws in the uk who don't know wtf they're talking about. The government should just leave decision making to the people who know best and who it affects. The countryside people. The people from 50 plus yrs ago we're more in touch with nature and knew best to deal with it. And are badgers extinct? No. They were managed then and so was disease. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,569 Posted February 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 How many badgers will the flood cull at no extra expense? Who will the antis whinge at now? I wonder if any will drown gallantly saving Mr Brock. absolutely none, they're all a bunch of soap dodging trampy fcuked up ass holes Jaysus Big G best you get off that fence before it hurts your hole lol it's happening slowly the demise of land and river management because of the anti brigade, they stopped dredging rivers that needed it and what's happening? Flooding everywhere because of ignorance. Same for tb? Cattle infected everywhere place over run with badgers. Can't do this because of this badgers human rights, can't do that because of that fishes human rights. But what about the rights of the humans affected ? Aye they're brushed to the side and ignored. To many people passing laws in the uk who don't know wtf they're talking about. The government should just leave decision making to the people who know best and who it affects. The countryside people. The people from 50 plus yrs ago we're more in touch with nature and knew best to deal with it. And are badgers extinct? No. They were managed then and so was disease. So, we seem, at least, to be agreed that money is spent by the EA. Spending policies are dictated to the EA by it's superiors at DEFRA. DEFRA is ultimately overseen by .........................? Answers on a postcard to 'Sack Owen Paterson Competition' ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BIG G wheton machine 1,594 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 I don't care about Owen Patterson, I' just believe that gb should be run by people who have gbs. Best interests at heart land, river and sea, never mind baldrick says he's going to protest because he makes love to badgers in his badger s n m boudoire, They should be made to cough up the costs that go with letting pest species run riot over here , same for cwis packham. He thinks because he's on tv he's god of the countryside and is allowed to spout his biased shite to the masses of the uneducated. He should be told if you want these animals protected they pay for the damage they cause unchecked, if not then go take your face for a shite. Same goes for illegal sponging immigrants. The countries are broke and full to bursting point 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 160 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 The point I was trying to make is that DEFRA made an unholy mess of what should have been two fairly straightforward projects - to cull a few badgers (which I support BTW!), and to stop furniture floating away. When they failed on both counts, they set about trying to blame others. The actual 'cost per badger' immaterial - but it's a lot more difficult to argue that the whole project was well planned, well handled generally, or even worthwhile ! DEFRA and the floods..............already been done to death on here ! So, my offence is saved for Owen Paterson, no-one else. What makes you think the badger cull was a failure? What you've read by antis? Let me just make this crystal clear; the trial badger cull was not a failure, and was very well run and organised by the NFU (not DEFRA). The 'worth' of the culling will not be truly known for at least 5 years (the licences were granted for four years and we need to await the results of TB testing after culling operations are complete). In the short term, we should see a lowering of infected cattle over the next year or so. Flooding and badger control are not connected and to suggest that the cull was a failure is insulting to those of us who put in a lot of work on it. Say what you like about Paterson, but I've met the man and respect him. He's a supporter of hunting and stands up for what he believes in. Demonise him for lack of spending on flood protection if you like, but before you do just cast your mind back to what we had before and ask yourself if the vacuous shallow labour government would have done any better. I think not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Matt, just out of sheer curiosity mate, you were part of the cull, how many did you get. Pm me if you like, no hidden agenda, as I say, just curious pal. Don't need to tell me obviously Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 160 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Matt, just out of sheer curiosity mate, you were part of the cull, how many did you get. Pm me if you like, no hidden agenda, as I say, just curious pal. Don't need to tell me obviously While I'd love to satisfy your curiosity Baw, I'm the subject of a restrictive covenant that prevents me from discussing operational matters My role was not just to cull, but to help support the local contractors and enable them to cull more efficiently Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Matt, just out of sheer curiosity mate, you were part of the cull, how many did you get. Pm me if you like, no hidden agenda, as I say, just curious pal. Don't need to tell me obviously While I'd love to satisfy your curiosity Baw, I'm the subject of a restrictive covenant that prevents me from discussing operational matters My role was not just to cull, but to help support the local contractors and enable them to cull more efficiently most will never understand what went on and the logistics behind it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_stig 6,614 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) no were all to fooking thick. Edited February 20, 2014 by the_stig 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 160 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 no were all to fooking thick. More likely because you weren't there, and only have the antis version of events to go on.... The NFU and the cull companies had a policy of not releasing any information unless they had to. It effectively shut down alot of the publicity, but it also means that the only 'noise' was that that was made by the antis. 95% of what the antis have said, before, during and after the first phase of the cull is lies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
STRANGER 948 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 IMO the badger cull was a failure. Simply because of the bullshit jumping through hoops to satisfy people, bad publicity it received and extraordinary cost both money and time. Unless the results from the cull come back with near 100% certainty that culling badgers reduces TB, it will never be repeated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 160 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 IMO the badger cull was a failure. Simply because of the bullshit jumping through hoops to satisfy people, bad publicity it received and extraordinary cost both money and time. Unless the results from the cull come back with near 100% certainty that culling badgers reduces TB, it will never be repeated. And your opinion is based on what?? The cost of the actual cull was relatively low and was funded by the farmers themselves. The cost of the police operation was ramped up by their lack of action in the initial stages, and the impact of a few animal rights nutters using social media to mobilise middle class, misguided bunny huggers who all fell for their lies. No-one (at any time) has suggested that culling badgers will cure TB 100%. The point is that simply removing reactor cattle (note, 'reactor' rather than 'infected') and leaving the disease in the wildlife reservoir is not working. TB is increasing year on year while we (as a whole) sit back and demand that whatever happens badgers mustn't be killed. I'll repeat for the hard of thinking; culling badgers cost the taxpayer virtually nothing. Keeping the peace while a bunch of misguided fools do their best to break the law of this land was, and always has been, expensive. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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