bird 9,897 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 We constantly hear people saying " never leave a child unsupervised with a dog " ......can a dog not attack a child when a human is in the room then ?.....like a quick snap at a childs face while mum is watching telly is acceptable ? Personally i will never understand the attraction in having dogs and small children growing up side by side in the family home.....i accept people do it but some people cant think sensibly for themself and these are the people that need protecting from themself.....whack high insurance premiums on high risk dog breeds and you watch how many of these idiots making a fashion statement by their choice of dog lose interest. Not sure the hefty insurance would work Gnash,was it 91 the Pits were banned,?,hence any APBT (or cross)less than 23 yrs old would be illegal and thus uninsurable,its a minefield for sure,half the idiots round here would get rid of them if the DDA was repealed..seem to think it gives them some sort of kudos having a banned breed Cant see the problem with dogs/kids living together personally ,my two girls grew up with 4 bull breeds and sundry terriers ,never a problem... Illegal is illegal though mate.....not enforcing a law has nothing to do with hefty insurance.....the best thing that ever happened for the Apbt in this country was the dda.....the worst thing was that it wasnt enforced properly.....................but how many of them idiots would fork out a few grand insurance in order to be rebellious ?.....and as someone else has said on this topic its no coincidence that none of these attacks have come from dogs owned by good upstanding citizens.....makes sense to me to stop the horse before it bolts,so to speak. yeh right gnash apbt , and when you think back with the breed ,when only people who kept them who fought them were small groups of followers, you never heard of pits attacking kids or people, they got in the wrong hands got over popular the idiots got them, and that was the beginning of the end of a great breed of dog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,118 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 (edited) Absolutely right Bird....post 91 the majority of people willing to risk breeding a litter were breeding the right dogs for the right reasons and keeping them amongst their own......meaning the quality of dogs as individuals went up.............when something is prostituted out to anyone with the right money as they were later on you cant expect quality to remain high.....hence 99% of dogs in this country today aint worth a wank ! Edited February 20, 2014 by gnasher16 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RossM 8,119 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Well I have a 6month old daughter and 3 working dogs in the house, they sit on the couch have the run of the house etc, they have never indicated the slightest bit aggression towards the baby, infact they don't even really show any interest whatsoever just go about as normal. They were however introduced IMO correctly, I brought home her dirty baby grows etc from the hospital every day let them sniff them and when the baby came home she was in the car seat and they all had a little sniff and that was that, not that I would ever consider leaving her alone with them they are although domesticated still an animal. I never just ignore the dogs they still need attention too and I think that somehow some of these attacks are down to jealousy they go from being someone's centre of attention to being ignored and perhaps see the child as that reason. It's all about being sensible. At the end of the day these attacks are down to poor introductions, jealous dogs and mainly owners that are ignorant to the fact they are still an animal. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Huan72 687 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Well I have a 6month old daughter and 3 working dogs in the house, they sit on the couch have the run of the house etc, they have never indicated the slightest bit aggression towards the baby, infact they don't even really show any interest whatsoever just go about as normal. They were however introduced IMO correctly, I brought home her dirty baby grows etc from the hospital every day let them sniff them and when the baby came home she was in the car seat and they all had a little sniff and that was that, not that I would ever consider leaving her alone with them they are although domesticated still an animal. I never just ignore the dogs they still need attention too and I think that somehow some of these attacks are down to jealousy they go from being someone's centre of attention to being ignored and perhaps see the child as that reason. It's all about being sensible. At the end of the day these attacks are down to poor introductions, jealous dogs and mainly owners that are ignorant to the fact they are still an animal. Excellent post, jealousy can definately be an issue with dogs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THE STIFFMEISTER 15,893 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Something about this case just doesn't add up for me I was of the opinion from the start that the dog would have crushed the child as a few guys I know have husky types , clumsy yes vicious no I'd be very surprised if it was a biting injury, I'd be less surprised with another result But maybe that's just my suspicious nature Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forest of dean redneck 11,598 Posted February 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Something about this case just doesn't add up for me I was of the opinion from the start that the dog would have crushed the child as a few guys I know have husky types , clumsy yes vicious no I'd be very surprised if it was a biting injury, I'd be less surprised with another result But maybe that's just my suspicious nature I can see how it could have happened,little squirming baby making sqeaking noises like a rabbit in distress,a lot of these huskies have a high prey drive,and it's back to same old storybreed becomes popular after being in Disney films etc and unsuitable shite is bred from.plus it's a primitive type breed. Not so long ago they were cheap as pups and loads free as no one wanted them after the films like Balto and snow dogs died down, Now they seem to be popular again as a snarling yard dog.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bunnys 1,228 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 When is this going to stopwhen people stop treating feckin dogs like humans, and keep them in runs+kennels , and by doing so it would stop babys+kids been killed or have there faces ripped to pieces , humans in houses, dogs outside that in a nutshell . but people wont so kids will still be killed. and any breed of dog can kill a baby -kid . When are you going to stop going ON and ON....about how dogs MUST be kept outside?... Its STUPID c**t OWNERS.... Whether the dogs inside or outside.... isnt going to change the fact that the OWNER'S A STUPID CNUT. its a sad fact pack animasls such as dogs have a hieracky , and do and will bring these instincts to the fore when kept in a home environment ,with bird here outside for em ,simples for those wee chappies who feel the need to cuddle something fluffy find a pussy .much more fun,lol atb bunnys. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,897 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Well I have a 6month old daughter and 3 working dogs in the house, they sit on the couch have the run of the house etc, they have never indicated the slightest bit aggression towards the baby, infact they don't even really show any interest whatsoever just go about as normal. They were however introduced IMO correctly, I brought home her dirty baby grows etc from the hospital every day let them sniff them and when the baby came home she was in the car seat and they all had a little sniff and that was that, not that I would ever consider leaving her alone with them they are although domesticated still an animal. I never just ignore the dogs they still need attention too and I think that somehow some of these attacks are down to jealousy they go from being someone's centre of attention to being ignored and perhaps see the child as that reason. It's all about being sensible. At the end of the day these attacks are down to poor introductions, jealous dogs and mainly owners that are ignorant to the fact they are still an animal. Excellent post, jealousy can definately be an issue with dogs. yes fair post, but I ve never understood why the need to have a dog in the house with kids .? I would have thought looking after 2-3 young children is more than enough to do any mom+dad to do, never mind having a dog or dogs to contend with.? As ive said before I used to keep bullmastiffs and other type dogs, and yes did have them in our house .But when my son was born , I put them in kennels+runs, I wasn't prepared to take the risk with my son and dogs. He grew up with my dogs and came on lots of dog walks as he got older ,dogs were happy had there own space , had nice long walks, never seen it as prob having them outside to be honest .! my 2 dogs now Buck + Bryn have wonderful temps, they love people and good with dogs, they come in the house for a1 hour ever night with me+wife for bit of fuss+ biscuits lol, but my wife wouldn't have them in with out me there, Buck big daft bugger lol but as massive strength+power and there no way she could handle him on her own if he got over excited , same when my son visits with his girlfriend , dogs have come in but only with me there . We all do things our own way, my son will prob have a house dog, he likes the pug x beagle the fool lol, as said its everybody choise what dogs there have and how you keep it even my son lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.P.R 2,798 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) Some people cant...or wont keep the dogs outside.. for whatever reason... Dog theives would be a good start.... Like i said... a little abruptly maybe... Dogs inside or outside... its upto the owner to be responsible... You can keep a dog in a kennel... but then give it a bone on the patio with the baby crawling about... See what i getting at? ... Both can be advantageous...given a certain set of conditions are implemented... Edited February 21, 2014 by B.P.R Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.P.R 2,798 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Personally... I have 4 dogs in the house... and they have the run of the kitchen and back garden as 'their space' ... My son... or any other kids in the house... do not go in the kitchen (my son a little maybe) ... If the kids want to see the dogs... i let the dogs into the living room... No kids annoying them... thay have an area for peace and quiet...and not to be annoyed... Once my son goes to bed... they get let into the living room... and have full run til i head to bed... Its all about being sensible. I also have a small kennel outside i use when im out long periods of time... Its all about getting the balance right... Inside or out... "You cant teach stupid" ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 9,897 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Personally... I have 4 dogs in the house... and they have the run of the kitchen and back garden as 'their space' ... My son... or any other kids in the house... do not go in the kitchen (my son a little maybe) ... If the kids want to see the dogs... i let the dogs into the living room... No kids annoying them... thay have an area for peace and quiet...and not to be annoyed... Once my son goes to bed... they get let into the living room... and have full run til i head to bed... Its all about being sensible. I also have a small kennel outside i use when im out long periods of time... Its all about getting the balance right... Inside or out... "You cant teach stupid" ... fair play mate , I know where you coming from , and I know the type of dogs you keep make great pets, not like my big lump , well Bryn ok lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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