baw 4,360 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 We constantly hear people saying " never leave a child unsupervised with a dog " ......can a dog not attack a child when a human is in the room then ?.....like a quick snap at a childs face while mum is watching telly is acceptable ? Personally i will never understand the attraction in having dogs and small children growing up side by side in the family home.....i accept people do it but some people cant think sensibly for themself and these are the people that need protecting from themself.....whack high insurance premiums on high risk dog breeds and you watch how many of these idiots making a fashion statement by their choice of dog lose interest. Is a bull cross lurcher high risk? So the answer is to make responsible dog owners pay through the nose. Personally, if jail the owner of the dog. If your dog maims someone, even your own family member no matter how tragic, jail. If a bull x is being kept in a family home as a pet and not being used as a working dog then yes of course its a high risk dog..................keeping a highly driven working bred dog in a family home with small children is not being responsible in my opinion so kind of answers both points. Aye but you can't force high insurance policies on one without the other. I don't see why everyone should pay the consequences for the thick but that's what's going to happen I suppose. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 This is the reason why we live in a nanny state, too many thick b*****ds out there that can't even be responsible owning a dog. The more this happens the more calls for tighter dog laws. Make no mistake about it, these clowns will f**k it up for all of us. Poor baby, rip little one. My concern is that the we will pay for the acts of the clinically stupid, not just financially, if these attacks keep happening legislation will come in that effects all dog owners, not just the dim ones. Its happened before and it will happen again, we live in a state with so many rules because of the idiotic minority. Gun laws, knife laws, rules around crossbows are there because of the few that you wouldnt trust with a pea shooter but we all pay the price. I just find it tragic when it comes to dogs, this country has a proud heritage with dogs, recorded from at least celtic times when our dogs were exported around the known world, it would be genuinely sad if the state became anti dog. Without being judgemental we need to stop the look how "ard" my dog is, "his dad is one of 7 blokes", jeremy kyle brigade from ruining dog ownership for the rest of us. It's going to happen mate. Up here the media is driving for tighter dog laws. It's no coincidence every dog incident is making national news. Once the ball rolls and they mp's are looking for ways to win votes, down the hammer will fall on all of us. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
danw 1,748 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 We constantly hear people saying " never leave a child unsupervised with a dog " ......can a dog not attack a child when a human is in the room then ?.....like a quick snap at a childs face while mum is watching telly is acceptable ? Personally i will never understand the attraction in having dogs and small children growing up side by side in the family home.....i accept people do it but some people cant think sensibly for themself and these are the people that need protecting from themself.....whack high insurance premiums on high risk dog breeds and you watch how many of these idiots making a fashion statement by their choice of dog lose interest. folks don't insure their cars what makes you think they would insure their dog? Yes but thats illegal..........law is law.....if you break it you face consequences if caught. And just how is it enforcible are the police going to check every dog they see will every dog have to be chipped and would that prove ownership? there are an estimated 10.5 million dogs in the uk who will check or even find all of them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kay 3,709 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 I can only draw from my own experiences of dogs & kids in the house .. the only dog I have had that was game for want of a better word was a cross breed terrier , had her from a few days old & hand reared her , she was an odd little dog .. but when I took her in my youngest was about 3 She tolerated the kids & was happy to lay in her bed when she didn't want bothering , but both my lads where taught not to bother her , she was a good house dog & I only ever saw what she was capable of once ... my eldest lad was about 14 & shinned the back gate & she flew at him as his leg came over the gate & I thank god I was there because she would have taken a chunk out of him if I hadn't yelled at her from the garden . So even though she was basically a lovely but odd little dog the potential was there & yes the dog probably wasnt aware it was my lad shinning the gate it opened my eyes to just how quickly she turned Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tiercel 6,986 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 (edited) I personally wouldn't have kids near dogs. Both areas unpredictable as the other. Half these dogs that's killed kids could easily kill the owners nevermimd the kids so I see gnashers point. What is the attraction with them? It's the same attraction that people on here have to post on how many rabbits/others their bull x, slauki, coursing dog has caught. They think the dog rubs off on them. Big numbers / big prey = great hunter. Big dog = big person. Deluded the lot of them. TC Edited February 19, 2014 by tiercel 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 I personally wouldn't have kids near dogs. Both areas unpredictable as the other. Half these dogs that's killed kids could easily kill the owners nevermimd the kids so I see gnashers point. What is the attraction with them? It's the same attraction that people on here have to post on how many rabbits/others their bull x, slauki, coursing dog has caught. They think the dog rubbs off on them. Big numbers / big prey = great hunter. Big dog = big person. Deluded the lot of them. TC I think your spot on there mate. It always fascinated me how much respect is given to a guy who has supposedly a good lurcher. All of a sudden all the wannabes start name dropping they've been in their company to gain credibility as if it means anything we all like seeing a good dog work, I won't start kissing the owners boots though as if it makes them any better than anyone else. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,242 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 We constantly hear people saying " never leave a child unsupervised with a dog " ......can a dog not attack a child when a human is in the room then ?.....like a quick snap at a childs face while mum is watching telly is acceptable ? Personally i will never understand the attraction in having dogs and small children growing up side by side in the family home.....i accept people do it but some people cant think sensibly for themself and these are the people that need protecting from themself.....whack high insurance premiums on high risk dog breeds and you watch how many of these idiots making a fashion statement by their choice of dog lose interest. folks don't insure their cars what makes you think they would insure their dog? Yes but thats illegal..........law is law.....if you break it you face consequences if caught. And just how is it enforcible are the police going to check every dog they see will every dog have to be chipped and would that prove ownership? there are an estimated 10.5 million dogs in the uk who will check or even find all of them? Bring back the dog license....plod pull you over in your motor they know within minutes if the motor is insured......same theory..............look i havent thought it through down to the last detail but something clearly has to be done if you have a better quick fix solution then away you go ? For many young couples starting their first home together a fashion statement dog is an essential item.....never mind if they have a washing machine or cooker just as long as they can walk down the street mum pushing the baby and dad holding a straining foaming at the mouth dog on the end of a leash......... we have all seen it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whippet 99 2,613 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 sad news , that's why I keep whippet ,....couldn't kill a mouse Quote Link to post Share on other sites
STRANGER 948 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 There is no solution. Everyone is responsible for their own animals, and if they are so thick to allow it to kill their child so be it. If it happens enough maybe people will think twice before getting an animal that has no place in a family environment. And that's not just bull breeds, that includes all of these big dogs that can inflict a lot of damage in a short space of time, and includes all dogs close to small children. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,242 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 There is no solution. Everyone is responsible for their own animals, and if they are so thick to allow it to kill their child so be it. Bit harsh that mate kids dont choose their parents...............some folk need protecting from themself a solution must be found in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chid 6,582 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 We constantly hear people saying " never leave a child unsupervised with a dog " ......can a dog not attack a child when a human is in the room then ?.....like a quick snap at a childs face while mum is watching telly is acceptable ? Personally i will never understand the attraction in having dogs and small children growing up side by side in the family home.....i accept people do it but some people cant think sensibly for themself and these are the people that need protecting from themself.....whack high insurance premiums on high risk dog breeds and you watch how many of these idiots making a fashion statement by their choice of dog lose interest. folks don't insure their cars what makes you think they would insure their dog? Yes but thats illegal..........law is law.....if you break it you face consequences if caught. And just how is it enforcible are the police going to check every dog they see will every dog have to be chipped and would that prove ownership? there are an estimated 10.5 million dogs in the uk who will check or even find all of them? Bring back the dog license....plod pull you over in your motor they know within minutes if the motor is insured......same theory..............look i havent thought it through down to the last detail but something clearly has to be done if you have a better quick fix solution then away you go ? For many young couples starting their first home together a fashion statement dog is an essential item.....never mind if they have a washing machine or cooker just as long as they can walk down the street mum pushing the baby and dad holding a straining foaming at the mouth dog on the end of a leash......... we have all seen it. still have the dog licence over here as well as compulsory micro-chipping with courts and fines if you fail to comply,but i bet half the hunting folk and the status symbol do owners dontdo either Quote Link to post Share on other sites
STRANGER 948 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 It is harsh I know but you cant possibly legislate every freak occurrence to try and stop stupidity. Accidents can and do happen and will continue to do so even in this PC, health and safety, red taped country. IMO it makes it worse, no one has any common sense any more Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zigzag dan 784 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 All the years I have kept dogs , never even had one over the backdoor step , they are kennelled , never had a dog even snap at me or my family . As a kid , my parents only ever kept one dog in our house , a wire haired fox terrier that bit both my parents , should have pts after first time but they gave him another chance , both times my parents were holding a child when he did it , bit too coincidently for my liking , as Bird said , treat them like dogs not humans . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,787 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 We live in a society where we have gradually had our responsibilites taken from us by the state, it's fostered a 21stC mentallity of zero responsibility and accountability. It's a bigger problem than simply dogs killing kids in our own homes. Half of the country can't maintain their own health never mind that of a completely dependant infant. Give the people back their responsibilites and see their attitudes change.... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whippet 99 2,613 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 there will never be a cure , but you can help prevent and that's a fact,....licensing /microchips wont stop a dog attacking it may help with preventing.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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