Froch V Groves Ii

[bryson 562]

Froch better win I cant stand listening to that cocky ginger twat any longer...Grooves problem is she aint got the wind and she cannot take Karls power once it starts getting through.Her eyes were nearly closed last time and Froch hadnt got through with much. The fight ended early but it was in Groves favour because she would i think of been stopped but this way shes got a second chance...but so has Karl.

do you not remember a young Froch calling calzaghe out and ripping him publicly Froch was every bit as cockey when he was young as Groves is being now its the hunger and the confidence these boys have to have to fight at such a level

[bryson 562]

 

alot of people are saying the same to me that Groves is being smug arrogant and all the rest i see it as him trying to get under Froches skin plus hes know for his extreme confidence to be fair he feels he punched froch all over last time round and he was robbed there will be alot of anger from him because he has to do it all again i dont think it will be an easy fight but i just think Groves will have improved alot more for this fight than froch

WHERES GNASH ON THIS ??????

has gnasher gone to Brazil early lol

 

no idea i thought he would be all over this topic

i like hearing his views he seems to no his stuff about boxing

[the_stig 6,614]

 

 

i really cant get my head around people completely writing Groves off could some one please explain

stabba what makes you think froch has had enough time to improve on his last performance especially with the age difference ?

4 of us have followed froch since his am days the same 4 that followed tony Sibson and to be fair were all a bit surprised how far frochs come he`s about at the end of the road but we`ve had some cracking nights out and he`s given the city a lift we thought the bute fight would be his last likewise with Kessler one thing he can do is dig deep I`d like to see him beat groves and have his swan song v de gale at the city ground not just because he`s an home town fighter but for what he`s done for british boxing at a time when its not been at its best and rife with world champions I`ll put money on froch because I`m a fan but honestly I don't think you could call this one even at his age froch comes on stronger later in a fight but he can tear it up like the bute fight early on I don't think you can really compare the 2 fights be a different ball game Saturday .....i`m starting to waffle so that's me till after the fight

 

thanks for taking the time to explain and i do respect Froch as a fighter i just think his time is up but thats just my opinion as for degale he is no where near the two of these fighters

 

i think talk is for degale to fight the winner,,,but i think if froch wins he`ll still look to ward,,,

[bryson 562]

degale has already said and eddie hern also said the winner will more than likley face degale but who ever wins the out come will be the same degale will get hurt

[*The*Field*Marshall* 674]

Degale has a tough assignment, wouldn't surprise me if he gets beat. . If Groves wins I think we'll see him v Degale (should he win) if Froch wins I think he'll opt for an international fight, Kessler 3 or Ward 2

[bryson 562]

definatly if Froch wins he will not fight degale and i dont think he should he will have alot bigger pay days else where and he should grab them with both hands being at the end of an amazing career but on the other hand if Groves wins i think he should fight degale these two also have a history and again it will be good for british boxing but Groves would destroy degale

but like is said above degale has to get through this fight first

[pip1968 2,490]

 

Froch better win I cant stand listening to that cocky ginger twat any longer...Grooves problem is she aint got the wind and sher cannot take Karls power once it starts getting through.Her eyes were nearly closed last time and Froch hadnt got through with much. The fight ended early but it was in Groves favour because she would i think of been stopped but this way shes got a second chance...but so has Karl.

do you not remember a young Froch calling calzaghe out and ripping him publicly Froch was every bit as cockey when he was young as Groves is being now its the hunger and the confidence these boys have to have to fight at such a level

 

thats when i lost respect for froch when he said he would beat calzaghi and hes fought no one all hand picked fighters and over the hill and hes avoiding me,,,but calzaghi done a number on world champion kessler and froch gets beaten by by him

[stabba 10,745]

what's groves got that he didn't have last fight? Nothing imo. That punch he decked Froch with last fight was a punch in a million. Couldn't do it again rest of the fight despite having another 8 rounds to do it in. Froch can certainly take a punch as well as give one. Groves didn't have the power then and he wont have it now. The most Groves will have extra to the last fight is probably stamina. Which Froch will knock straight out of him with his heavy hands. No good having fast hands and feet if you can't sink your opponent is it. Froch will destroy him by mid rounds i reckon. No later than the 8th.

[satan80 358]

what's groves got that he didn't have last fight? Nothing imo. That punch he decked Froch with last fight was a punch in a million. Couldn't do it again rest of the fight despite having another 8 rounds to do it in. Froch can certainly take a punch as well as give one. Groves didn't have the power then and he wont have it now. The most Groves will have extra to the last fight is probably stamina. Which Froch will knock straight out of him with his heavy hands. No good having fast hands and feet if you can't sink your opponent is it. Froch will destroy him by mid rounds i reckon. No later than the 8th.

 

But he repeatedly nailed Froch with counter right hands throughout the entire fight, dominated with the jab and proved himself to be the more accurate puncher.

 

Froch's defence has always been face first, and he's been shipped big punishment by sharp punchers his entire career (Ward, Taylor, Dirrel) but he's got away with it for so long as he's got an iron chin and great durability. The fact that he was dropped so heavily by Groves is an indication that he the chin might be on it's way out however, or that Groves is a bigger puncher than anyone he's faced before, which is why i'm picking Carl to struggle.

 

He's not going to miraculously improve his defense, timing or reflexes, which means he's going to get nailed a lot again, and he knows it. Lets not forget, Froch did not want this rematch at all, he would have taken less money to go to the States and fight - he knows he's in with a younger, fresher, hard hitting fighter who will come in even better prepared this time, if Groves keeps his head straight and doesn't get over confident and carried away like last time, he boxes Froch's head off or busts him up for a stoppage

[BIG G wheton machine 1,594]

I can't believe I'm reading regale fighting the winner , wtf has he done to deserve a title shot the last I seen him he was Shiite and should more likely be lucky enough to fight the loser never mind the winner. Degale fcuk these iPads crack me up

Edited May 28, 2014 by BIG G wheton machine

[bird 9,897]

just bought it, so lets get ready to ROLL stat night lol, I think it will be about 10 pm I think, I could be wrong though .?

[marky b 309]

just bought it, so lets get ready to ROLL stat night lol, I think it will be about 10 pm I think, I could be wrong though .?

i read somewhere it was ten to ten

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

come on Gaz you serious no doubts do you not think Groves will have took alot from last fight aswell ?

No mate. No doubts.

 

Groves couldn't hurt Froch at his worst so how's he gonna deal with him at his best?

 

Yes groves is a more technical boxer and scores points. But he's gotta score points and survive for 12 rounds to win. That's not gonna happen. And he sure as hell isn't gonna stop Froch.

 

Go watch Froch V Kessler 2, round 12. Tell me groves could stand and take that? I don't think so.

 

Cheers.

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

 

 

what's groves got that he didn't have last fight? Nothing imo. That punch he decked Froch with last fight was a punch in a million. Couldn't do it again rest of the fight despite having another 8 rounds to do it in. Froch can certainly take a punch as well as give one. Groves didn't have the power then and he wont have it now. The most Groves will have extra to the last fight is probably stamina. Which Froch will knock straight out of him with his heavy hands. No good having fast hands and feet if you can't sink your opponent is it. Froch will destroy him by mid rounds i reckon. No later than the 8th.

But he repeatedly nailed Froch with counter right hands throughout the entire fight, dominated with the jab and proved himself to be the more accurate puncher.

 

Froch's defence has always been face first, and he's been shipped big punishment by sharp punchers his entire career (Ward, Taylor, Dirrel) but he's got away with it for so long as he's got an iron chin and great durability. The fact that he was dropped so heavily by Groves is an indication that he the chin might be on it's way out however, or that Groves is a bigger puncher than anyone he's faced before, which is why i'm picking Carl to struggle.

 

He's not going to miraculously improve his defense, timing or reflexes, which means he's going to get nailed a lot again, and he knows it. Lets not forget, Froch did not want this rematch at all, he would have taken less money to go to the States and fight - he knows he's in with a younger, fresher, hard hitting fighter who will come in even better prepared this time, if Groves keeps his head straight and doesn't get over confident and carried away like last time, he boxes Froch's head off or busts him up for a stoppage

How will groves stop Froch? Lol. Like stabba said he caught Froch with a very good shot in round one. Froch was back on his feet faster than he went down and groves couldn't replicate that in another 8 rounds. So how is he going to deliver this time?

 

A points win each round is no use against a fighter like Froch who WILL stand toe to toe and battle in the later rounds.

[satan80 358]

 

come on Gaz you serious no doubts do you not think Groves will have took alot from last fight aswell ?

No mate. No doubts.

 

Groves couldn't hurt Froch at his worst so how's he gonna deal with him at his best?

 

Yes groves is a more technical boxer and scores points. But he's gotta score points and survive for 12 rounds to win. That's not gonna happen. And he sure as hell isn't gonna stop Froch.

 

Go watch Froch V Kessler 2, round 12. Tell me groves could stand and take that? I don't think so.

 

Cheers.

 

 

If you watched that fight and can't see that Froch was hurt, multiple times, then you don't know your boxing.

He was out on his feet in the first round, whether he was just caught cold or not, another 10 seconds in that round and he'd have been stopped.

 

Groves buzzed him throughout the fight with right hands, that's the reason the stoppage was so contentious, the argument being that Froch was hurt more throughout the fight, heavily dropped, yet at the first sign of Groves getting hit heavily, the ref jumps in.

 

The argument that Froch 'wasn't at his best' is garbage too, Froch is an obsessive trainer and has been since his amateur days, i've trained with him and know he never cuts corners so was as fit as ever for that last fight, if anything the only danger for him is that he's convinced himself he needs to up it again and ends up over training and leaving it all in the gym.

 

 

what's groves got that he didn't have last fight? Nothing imo. That punch he decked Froch with last fight was a punch in a million. Couldn't do it again rest of the fight despite having another 8 rounds to do it in. Froch can certainly take a punch as well as give one. Groves didn't have the power then and he wont have it now. The most Groves will have extra to the last fight is probably stamina. Which Froch will knock straight out of him with his heavy hands. No good having fast hands and feet if you can't sink your opponent is it. Froch will destroy him by mid rounds i reckon. No later than the 8th.

But he repeatedly nailed Froch with counter right hands throughout the entire fight, dominated with the jab and proved himself to be the more accurate puncher.

 

Froch's defence has always been face first, and he's been shipped big punishment by sharp punchers his entire career (Ward, Taylor, Dirrel) but he's got away with it for so long as he's got an iron chin and great durability. The fact that he was dropped so heavily by Groves is an indication that he the chin might be on it's way out however, or that Groves is a bigger puncher than anyone he's faced before, which is why i'm picking Carl to struggle.

 

He's not going to miraculously improve his defense, timing or reflexes, which means he's going to get nailed a lot again, and he knows it. Lets not forget, Froch did not want this rematch at all, he would have taken less money to go to the States and fight - he knows he's in with a younger, fresher, hard hitting fighter who will come in even better prepared this time, if Groves keeps his head straight and doesn't get over confident and carried away like last time, he boxes Froch's head off or busts him up for a stoppage

How will groves stop Froch? Lol. Like stabba said he caught Froch with a very good shot in round one. Froch was back on his feet faster than he went down and groves couldn't replicate that in another 8 rounds. So how is he going to deliver this time?

 

A points win each round is no use against a fighter like Froch who WILL stand toe to toe and battle in the later rounds.

 

 

Froch had his lights turned out by that right hand, and no-one has ever done that to him before, his legs were all over the place when he got up, and Groves DID replicate that shot, multiple times throughout the fight, this is the problem, Carl has always been easy to hit, and it's worrying that Groves hurt him more than he ever has been in his career.

 

'A points win each round is no use'? Don't really know what you mean, Ward completely shut Froch down in their fight using a superior game plan, speed and boxing brains, so as tough as Froch is it's ridiculous to suggest he can't be outboxed over the distance