22 Magnum Or 22 Wmr

[Deker 3,478]

 

Arc and accuracy with the 30g WMR V-Max are VERY close to that of the HMR 17g V-Max but they are devastating upon arrival. Smack a HMR V-Max into a Canada and you need to take a bit of care with placement, smack a 30g WMR V-Max in a Canada and you can aim anywhere, it falls down!

Up to 100 yards true.

 

However, open it up to 150 or 200 yards and HMR is a clear winner.

 

That said, it's horses for courses and clearly for Canada, the extra bullet weight has some clout from your experience.

 

Now if you really want a Rimfire performer and aren't worried about the carcass or are prepared to headshoot, then WSM looks like the way to go. Unfortunately in the UK you can't buy it yet.

 

 

 

In the real world nobody in their right minds buys a HMR or a WMR if they intend to shoot all their quarry at 150-200 yards.

[alan81 110]

don't get me wrong I love my WMR I just think the HMR is a lot easier round to shoot, with less guess work and further ranges. but there's noting a WMR can do that a HMR cant do and vice a versa its just that the HMR does it better. IMO and that's all it is is my opinion when it comes to the WMR and the HMR the later is the clear winner. I know there are different calibres and we need them there's not one gun for all but I was just comparing these two rounds I wasn't talking about the .22LR or the hornet or a cannon.

[SportingShooter 0]

My licensing department also wouldn't like me using cannon,

 

They turned me down for one of these on a 1 for 1 variation of my HMR for vermin and occasional Fox,

 

I tried to explain it was for 1000+ yards but they didn't fancy it.

 

[Alsone 789]

don't get me wrong I love my WMR I just think the HMR is a lot easier round to shoot, with less guess work and further ranges. but there's noting a WMR can do that a HMR cant do and vice a versa its just that the HMR does it better. IMO and that's all it is is my opinion when it comes to the WMR and the HMR the later is the clear winner. I know there are different calibres and we need them there's not one gun for all but I was just comparing these two rounds I wasn't talking about the .22LR or the hornet or a cannon.

 

You have to remember that neither Deker or Charlie like the HMR. That's fine we all have our preferences.

 

I personally prefer it over .22. The .22 has it's place and it's stood the test of time, but it's far more prone to ricochet and personally I'd take the extra power of the HMR and the shock over the silence and poor expansion of .22 any day unless shooting close to houses at night.

 

BTW Deker there are plenty of people who take small ground game at 150-200 yds+ with the HMR in the real world. Just have a look on Youtube and that includes some videos from members on here, and that's something you couldn't do with the WMR.

 

It's horses for courses and it's use depends on the quarry, just as with .22. You wouldn't want to take a fox with a HMR at anything other than short range that's for sure and at short range against fox WMR is the better round all the way as against larger quarry the weight really counts.

 

As for Hornet, we've had this discussion so many times. You seem to forget that because you're authorised centre fire, everyone can get centre fire, whereas a lot of firearms depts won't authorise centre fire on 1st grant.

[Alsone 789]

My licensing department also wouldn't like me using cannon,

 

They turned me down for one of these on a 1 for 1 variation of my HMR for vermin and occasional Fox,

 

I tried to explain it was for 1000+ yards but they didn't fancy it.

 

 

 

Saddam Hussein had the same problem:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/11/newsid_2477000/2477023.stm

 

They had a really bad rabbit problem out there apparently. Rabbits the size of houses!

Edited February 17, 2014 by Alsone

[Deker 3,478]

 

don't get me wrong I love my WMR I just think the HMR is a lot easier round to shoot, with less guess work and further ranges. but there's noting a WMR can do that a HMR cant do and vice a versa its just that the HMR does it better. IMO and that's all it is is my opinion when it comes to the WMR and the HMR the later is the clear winner. I know there are different calibres and we need them there's not one gun for all but I was just comparing these two rounds I wasn't talking about the .22LR or the hornet or a cannon.

You have to remember that neither Deker or Charlie like the HMR. That's fine we all have our preferences. BS

 

I personally prefer it over .22. The .22 has it's place and it's stood the test of time, but it's far more prone to ricochet and personally I'd take the extra power of the HMR and the shock over the silence and poor expansion of .22 any day unless shooting close to houses at night. You would be better to stop reading and try shooting, do you ever intend to get a FAC or simply continue to BS the world with what you heard or read somewhere!

BTW Deker there are plenty of people who take small ground game at 150-200 yds+ with the HMR in the real world. Just have a look on Youtube and that includes some videos from members on here, and that's something you couldn't do with the WMR. Read my post, I didn't say they cant stop quarry at 150-200 yards!

 

It's horses for courses and it's use depends on the quarry, just as with .22. You wouldn't want to take a fox with a HMR at anything other than short range that's for sure and at short range against fox WMR is the better round all the way as against larger quarry the weight really counts. NO it isn't, life isn't that simple, each site and job will dictate which is best for fox, distance is only a small part of that!

 

As for Hornet, we've had this discussion so many times. You seem to forget that because you're authorised centre fire, everyone can get centre fire, whereas a lot of firearms depts won't authorise centre fire on 1st grant. Everyone CAN get a centrefire on first grant, they simply need to put a case with the right need and hold their ground. Something else you read somewhere no doubt!

 

Kindly do not make suggestions about what I like, your assumptions seem boundless and with few exceptions also incorrect, I have NEVER said I don't like the HMR and I don't need you spouting false information.

 

You can prefer whatever you like, frankly I find it difficult to take anything you say seriously as you don't even have a FAC, and as regards the real world, I don't need a lecture from a non FAC holder telling me what they saw a couple of people do with a HMR on the internet :laugh:, and then ignorantly suggesting a WMR could not do the same, you don't have a clue, a .22lr could do the same, I have them and use them and know what they are capable of, and I repeat.... In the real world nobody in their right minds buys a HMR or a WMR if they intend to shoot all their quarry at 150-200 yards.

 

I have downed a rabbit at 258 yards with my HMR and 192yards with a .22lr and subs, both are very capable of stopping quarry at greater distances..BUT, nobody in their right minds buys a HMR or a WMR if they intend to shoot all their quarry at 150-200 yards.

 

Have a nice day!

Edited February 18, 2014 by Deker

[Deker 3,478]

don't get me wrong I love my WMR I just think the HMR is a lot easier round to shoot, with less guess work and further ranges. but there's noting a WMR can do that a HMR cant do and vice a versa its just that the HMR does it better. IMO and that's all it is is my opinion when it comes to the WMR and the HMR the later is the clear winner. I know there are different calibres and we need them there's not one gun for all but I was just comparing these two rounds I wasn't talking about the .22LR or the hornet or a cannon.

Why do you keep and love your WMR then if ......there's noting a WMR can do that a HMR cant do and vice a versa.... and the HMR is a clear winner and a lot easier to shoot?

 

Whatever, at least your judgement and views are based on your experiences with them, when some appear to know more than regular shooters of the calibres because they read something!

[GEOFF.223 83]

Surprised they still make ammo for the wmr as the hmr is clearly a better round

[Deker 3,478]

Odd really, CCI actually makes a wider variety of WMR ammo than HMR ammo! :laugh: :thumbs:

[Alsone 789]

 

 

don't get me wrong I love my WMR I just think the HMR is a lot easier round to shoot, with less guess work and further ranges. but there's noting a WMR can do that a HMR cant do and vice a versa its just that the HMR does it better. IMO and that's all it is is my opinion when it comes to the WMR and the HMR the later is the clear winner. I know there are different calibres and we need them there's not one gun for all but I was just comparing these two rounds I wasn't talking about the .22LR or the hornet or a cannon.

You have to remember that neither Deker or Charlie like the HMR. That's fine we all have our preferences. BS

 

I personally prefer it over .22. The .22 has it's place and it's stood the test of time, but it's far more prone to ricochet and personally I'd take the extra power of the HMR and the shock over the silence and poor expansion of .22 any day unless shooting close to houses at night. You would be better to stop reading and try shooting, do you ever intend to get a FAC or simply continue to BS the world with what you heard or read somewhere!

BTW Deker there are plenty of people who take small ground game at 150-200 yds+ with the HMR in the real world. Just have a look on Youtube and that includes some videos from members on here, and that's something you couldn't do with the WMR. Read my post, I didn't say they cant stop quarry at 150-200 yards!

 

It's horses for courses and it's use depends on the quarry, just as with .22. You wouldn't want to take a fox with a HMR at anything other than short range that's for sure and at short range against fox WMR is the better round all the way as against larger quarry the weight really counts. NO it isn't, life isn't that simple, each site and job will dictate which is best for fox, distance is only a small part of that!

 

As for Hornet, we've had this discussion so many times. You seem to forget that because you're authorised centre fire, everyone can get centre fire, whereas a lot of firearms depts won't authorise centre fire on 1st grant. Everyone CAN get a centrefire on first grant, they simply need to put a case with the right need and hold their ground. Something else you read somewhere no doubt!

 

Kindly do not make suggestions about what I like, your assumptions seem boundless and with few exceptions also incorrect, I have NEVER said I don't like the HMR and I don't need you spouting false information.

 

You can prefer whatever you like, frankly I find it difficult to take anything you say seriously as you don't even have a FAC, and as regards the real world, I don't need a lecture from a non FAC holder telling me what they saw a couple of people do with a HMR on the internet :laugh:, and then ignorantly suggesting a WMR could not do the same, you don't have a clue, a .22lr could do the same, I have them and use them and know what they are capable of, and I repeat.... In the real world nobody in their right minds buys a HMR or a WMR if they intend to shoot all their quarry at 150-200 yards.

 

I have downed a rabbit at 258 yards with my HMR and 192yards with a .22lr and subs, both are very capable of stopping quarry at greater distances..BUT, nobody in their right minds buys a HMR or a WMR if they intend to shoot all their quarry at 150-200 yards.

 

Have a nice day!

 

 

 

Deker I apologise on the HMR front, I got you confused with someone else.

 

As for the FAC I've spent over 30 years walking around with people that have them. I might not hold my own FAC but that's by choice as I've never been bothered by the hassle of trying to secure land etc. I prefer SGC because it's much more hassle free.

 

..and Deker where did I say anything about people taking ALL their quarry at 150-200yds (your quote above)?

 

I said "open the distance up to 150-200yds and HMR is a clear winner over WMR". That means to me it has the capability of shooting small game and rabbits at that distance. No where was I recommending it as a dedicated rifle for those distances, just that if the shot arose, it had the better capability to take small game at that distance over thanks to its flatter shooting characteristics. Equally no where did I say that .22LR couldn't kill at those distances. You twisted that to your own end.

 

I did say .22LR ricocheted and I've had many an experience of that, including one which came from someone else taking a shot they shouldn't have done and where the deformed bullet having exited a rabbit passed over my should within a metre or two! So, I'll be quite honest, after that, I'm not a fan of .22LR! It expands rather than fragments and that means it's prone to richochets on stoney ground, but it has it purposes. However, it would never be my choice unless silence was required or meat preservation was at the fore. I'm much rather have more stopping power and more importantly to me, fragmentation.

 

Whereas centrefire never came into this as it was a discussion of WMR vs HMR, as I pointed out above many forces don't grant centrefire at 1st grant. It depends on the force and what you're wanting to shoot. There are plenty of people on here who have been unable to get centre fire in the 1st instance in areas where they live in an area where HMR is approved for foxes, which means that unless you're shooting deer or can make out a case for being unable to get close enough to shoot fox with rimfire, you're going to struggle to prove a case. Go back 10 years, and my own force NEVER granted centrefire at 1st grant for fox or small game. Some still don't. You talk about standing your ground. That's fine if HMR isn't approved for fox in your area, but if it is, you're going to struggle in Court unless you can prove it's totally unsuitable for the size of land you're shooting over, and you risk getting costs awarded against you, and in my experience, the police always use a Barrister so you're looking at a bill of several thousand.

[Deker 3,478]

:laugh: :laugh:

[GEOFF.223 83]

Odd really, CCI actually makes a wider variety of WMR ammo than HMR ammo! :laugh: :thumbs:

There should be more ammo options as its been on the market longer.

 

If the hmr had been on the market as long as the wmr it would probably have the same or more im guessing

[alan81 110]

the reason I keep the WMR is because 99% of the rabbits I shoot are well under 100 yards so there is no need for guess work plus I would get near to noting for it on a trade in. I asked my local gun dealer what he would give me for it on a trade in against the same gun ( CZ 452 ) in .17 HMR, he told me less than 200 euro that would be a loss of 400 euro, he also told me he wouldn't be able to sell it because everyone was getting either the .22LR or the .17HMR and that no one was buying the WMR. I only know one other person with a WMR and that's my brother everyone else I know that shoots has a HMR. I respect what you say on here Deker you talk sense but it seems we differ on this subject but I don't think either of us will loos any sleep over that .

[Deker 3,478]

 

Odd really, CCI actually makes a wider variety of WMR ammo than HMR ammo! :laugh: :thumbs:

There should be more ammo options as its been on the market longer.

 

If the hmr had been on the market as long as the wmr it would probably have the same or more im guessing

 

 

 

The calibre lends it self to more versatility of ammo than a HMR!

[GEOFF.223 83]

 

 

 

 

Odd really, CCI actually makes a wider variety of WMR ammo than HMR ammo! :laugh: :thumbs:

There should be more ammo options as its been on the market longer.

 

If the hmr had been on the market as long as the wmr it would probably have the same or more im guessing

 

The calibre lends it self to more versatility of ammo than a HMR!

How?

Edited February 20, 2014 by GEOFF.223