unlacedgecko 1,466 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 the worlds zoos should be able to work together when it comes to what they need to breed and what not to, breeding terriers or keeping ferrets for work and even keeping birds for pleasure is far different to displaying and breeding animals for pure profit, zoos and other establishments realised this years ago, its indefensible that's why most jumped on the conservation of endangered species band wagon, whilst morally i find nothing wrong with killing one animal to feed another, ethically to do that in the name of human entertainment i do disagree with, why do longleat continue to breed African lions when there no longer endangered in the wild, why do the need such a large pride. the answer is it draws in the crowd which in turn pulls in the cash. exploitation springs to mind, this could as strange as it seems be a very large nail in the coffin for zoos, Killing an animal in the name of human entertainment morally indefensible? That is what all of us on here do (bar the very few exceptions like socks who are employed as pest controllers). I see little difference in what zoos do and what farmers do, they are both using animals for profit. As is anyone who trains and races greyhounds or horses or puts on bird of prey displays. 6 Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,797 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 But what's wrong with that Paulus? Why do we keep dogs for hunting? Our pleasure and nothing more. Why do we breed and slaughter so many meat animals each year? Because we enjoy a diet that has far more meat in it than we need to live healthily. These are all choices we make through desire and certainly not need. No different to Zoos, people want to see animals in the flesh they would otherwise have to travel thousands of miles to see. We don't need to, just like we don't need to keep dogs for sporting purposes or need to slaughter so many meat animals for our preferred diet. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 the worlds zoos should be able to work together when it comes to what they need to breed and what not to, breeding terriers or keeping ferrets for work and even keeping birds for pleasure is far different to displaying and breeding animals for pure profit, zoos and other establishments realised this years ago, its indefensible that's why most jumped on the conservation of endangered species band wagon, whilst morally i find nothing wrong with killing one animal to feed another, ethically to do that in the name of human entertainment i do disagree with, why do longleat continue to breed African lions when there no longer endangered in the wild, why do the need such a large pride. the answer is it draws in the crowd which in turn pulls in the cash. exploitation springs to mind, this could as strange as it seems be a very large nail in the coffin for zoos, This must be a copy and paste and not your view??? Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 the worlds zoos should be able to work together when it comes to what they need to breed and what not to, breeding terriers or keeping ferrets for work and even keeping birds for pleasure is far different to displaying and breeding animals for pure profit, zoos and other establishments realised this years ago, its indefensible that's why most jumped on the conservation of endangered species band wagon, whilst morally i find nothing wrong with killing one animal to feed another, ethically to do that in the name of human entertainment i do disagree with, why do longleat continue to breed African lions when there no longer endangered in the wild, why do the need such a large pride. the answer is it draws in the crowd which in turn pulls in the cash. exploitation springs to mind, this could as strange as it seems be a very large nail in the coffin for zoos, Killing an animal in the name of human entertainment morally indefensible? That is what all of us on here do (bar the very few exceptions like socks who are employed as pest controllers). I see little difference in what zoos do and what farmers do, they are both using animals for profit. As is anyone who trains and races greyhounds or horses or puts on bird of prey displays. But what's wrong with that Paulus? Why do we keep dogs for hunting? Our pleasure and nothing more. Why do we breed and slaughter so many meat animals each year? Because we enjoy a diet that has far more meat in it than we need to live healthily. These are all choices we make through desire and certainly not need. No different to Zoos, people want to see animals in the flesh they would otherwise have to travel thousands of miles to see. We don't need to, just like we don't need to keep dogs for sporting purposes or need to slaughter so many meat animals for our preferred diet. they are bred for entertainment not meat, most of the large predators and large mammals suffer badly with the physiological problems associated with being kept in captivity, our dogs have been domesticated over thousands of years, they still get to follow their natural instincts, greyhounds are bred to run and have been for a very long while, these are wild animals that will not become domesticated, Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 the worlds zoos should be able to work together when it comes to what they need to breed and what not to, breeding terriers or keeping ferrets for work and even keeping birds for pleasure is far different to displaying and breeding animals for pure profit, zoos and other establishments realised this years ago, its indefensible that's why most jumped on the conservation of endangered species band wagon, whilst morally i find nothing wrong with killing one animal to feed another, ethically to do that in the name of human entertainment i do disagree with, why do longleat continue to breed African lions when there no longer endangered in the wild, why do the need such a large pride. the answer is it draws in the crowd which in turn pulls in the cash. exploitation springs to mind, this could as strange as it seems be a very large nail in the coffin for zoos, This must be a copy and paste and not your view??? its boring this afternoon so a touch of controversy was required Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,797 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Paulus, I couldn't comment on the health of Zoo animals, so I won't. But I see no difference, we don't need dogs but breed them and cull them out of desire, same with many species. But like I said, should we farm to the scale we do purely because we desire a high% meat diet? Is that any more ethical than Zoos? IMO it's exactly the same. And don't make out that dogs live a 'natural' life in human hands! A small percentage do but most never know anything about hunting or their instincts, less so than most zoo animals. Should we ban dog ownership for that reason? Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Paulus, I couldn't comment on the health of Zoo animals, so I won't. But I see no difference, we don't need dogs but breed them and cull them out of desire, same with many species. But like I said, should we farm to the scale we do purely because we desire a high% meat diet? Is that any more ethical than Zoos? IMO it's exactly the same. And don't make out that dogs live a 'natural' life in human hands! A small percentage do but most never know anything about hunting or their instincts, less so than most zoo animals. Should we ban dog ownership for that reason? are zoo animals domesticated or indeed in the farm category. domestic dogs are in the main companions, so we can not get anything from a giraffe in captivity other than something to look at, we don't get comfort from it, we don't use its skills to our advantage and we don't keep it for meat, do we really need zoos if there only there to look at animals Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,797 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) are zoo animals domesticated or indeed in the farm category. domestic dogs are in the main companions, so we can not get anything from a giraffe in captivity other than something to look at, we don't get comfort from it, we don't use its skills to our advantage and we don't keep it for meat, do we really need zoos if there only there to look at animals Do we need all the farm animals we do and do we need dogs? LOL Just because something is domesticated doesn't make it happy in our society. There's a lot more thought and intelligence goes into the husbandry of many zoo animals than a lot of 'domesticated' dogs in this country. I like seeing my dogs hunt....... I like eating meat everyday........ and many like seeing lions at the zoo...... As long as the welfare of all stock involved is kept to a high standard I really can't see a problem and personally would consider myself a hypicrit if I did. But that's just my view, I'm not about to start calling anybody else for theirs. Edited February 10, 2014 by Born Hunter 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 160 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Bloody hell, there are some hypocritical posts in this thread. This is a hunting forum, whose membership consists (in the main) of people who kill animals for food, and dare I say it, sport.... Who are we to judge the actions of this establishment? On what facts are we basing this judgement? Those printed in the press? The next time the papers run a story about cruel hunters, just cast your mind back to this thread and the way in which we've all judged the zoo, rightly or wrongly. The only important facts in this story are that it was killed humanely, and it's body was not wasted. Everything else is just hearsay and politics. Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Paulus, I couldn't comment on the health of Zoo animals, so I won't. But I see no difference, we don't need dogs but breed them and cull them out of desire, same with many species. But like I said, should we farm to the scale we do purely because we desire a high% meat diet? Is that any more ethical than Zoos? IMO it's exactly the same. And don't make out that dogs live a 'natural' life in human hands! A small percentage do but most never know anything about hunting or their instincts, less so than most zoo animals. Should we ban dog ownership for that reason? are zoo animals domesticated or indeed in the farm category. domestic dogs are in the main companions, so we can not get anything from a giraffe in captivity other than something to look at, we don't get comfort from it, we don't use its skills to our advantage and we don't keep it for meat, do we really need zoos if there only there to look at animals Plenty of people keep dogs in runs and only take them out to excersise or work.. You've got kids mate? You surely can't say you never taken them to a wildlife park as youngsters and seen the look on their faces when they see an exotic animal for the first time? Kids and grown ups alike all over have had their lives enriched and been educated by a trip to the zoo/wildlife park. Sorry mate I can't see how you can say they serve no purpose.. If you say that then surely the same has to apply to bird keepers and anyone else who keeps similar animals for similar reasons? Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Paulus, I couldn't comment on the health of Zoo animals, so I won't. But I see no difference, we don't need dogs but breed them and cull them out of desire, same with many species. But like I said, should we farm to the scale we do purely because we desire a high% meat diet? Is that any more ethical than Zoos? IMO it's exactly the same. And don't make out that dogs live a 'natural' life in human hands! A small percentage do but most never know anything about hunting or their instincts, less so than most zoo animals. Should we ban dog ownership for that reason? are zoo animals domesticated or indeed in the farm category. domestic dogs are in the main companions, so we can not get anything from a giraffe in captivity other than something to look at, we don't get comfort from it, we don't use its skills to our advantage and we don't keep it for meat, do we really need zoos if there only there to look at animals Plenty of people keep dogs in runs and only take them out to excersise or work.. You've got kids mate? You surely can't say you never taken them to a wildlife park as youngsters and seen the look on their faces when they see an exotic animal for the first time? Kids and grown ups alike all over have had their lives enriched and been educated by a trip to the zoo/wildlife park. Sorry mate I can't see how you can say they serve no purpose.. If you say that then surely the same has to apply to bird keepers and anyone else who keeps similar animals for similar reasons? if conservation is not the reason then the only other reason has to be profit as there not a charity. someone said earlier about how distasteful canned hunting is but take those lions at longleat, they were going to be killed more than likely given a lethal injection, however there are people out there who would have payed a fortune to have pulled the trigger, the outcome for the lions would have still been the same but the morality would have changed,they could have raised a good chunk of cash for conservation daft isn't it, this is the point i am trying to make is its all subjective and there is no right and wrong only what sits right with the individual, Link to post Share on other sites
twobob 1,497 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 a waste of a young healthy animal imo Couple of million male chickens and thousands of male dairy cows which are surplus to requirements get killed every year and all, what about them? Guess they don't count because that don't make for good headlines in the media.. what a ludicrious comparisan there animals in the meat trade ffs lolWhat about of I kept chickens for eggs and bred a few more? I'd cull the males as soon as I knew they were no good to me and feed them to the ferrets.. No different.. how much do you charge to watch 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Chid 6,583 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Giraffe born .... No good to breed , no proper meat on it for food ... Rear it for 2 yrs while fattening it up , make a bit of money from it ... Cull feed to lions What's wrong with that ??? Similar happens everyday in the horse world but no one bats an eyelid 2 Link to post Share on other sites
littlefish 586 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 But it took 2 years to decide it wasn't fit for breeding. From birth they knew this girraffe's genetic make-up and knew it wasn't fit for breeding. So why keep it 2 years before deciding it's lion fodder. Doesn't matter to me either way but i feel the zoo fcuked up big time and it'll do there gate reciepts no good at all. Nor it's public relations. Baby giraffes are 'cute' and a real crowd pleaser.....once they look the same as all the others.....well they ain't so 'special' any more. Shame, but least it was slaughtered humanely and the lions got a good feed 1 Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,194 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Paulus shut it you slag......... Can someone not throw "him" to the feckin Longleat lions :laugh: Link to post Share on other sites
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