Malt 379 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 lol killing a deer\fox is not the same as killing a healthy captive born animal. The giraffe could of been sent to another zoo it could of also been castrated. Get yourself down to the nearest dairy farm with a placard or round to someone breeding his own line of terriers if you feel that strongly about healthy captive born animals being destroyed mate.. Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,883 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 lol killing a deer\fox is not the same as killing a healthy captive born animal. The giraffe could of been sent to another zoo it could of also been castrated. That may well be but what's the problem here?? they are not endangered, It was done with a captive bolt and the body used accordingly I fail to see an issue. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
stabba 10,745 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 But it took 2 years to decide it wasn't fit for breeding. From birth they knew this girraffe's genetic make-up and knew it wasn't fit for breeding. So why keep it 2 years before deciding it's lion fodder. Doesn't matter to me either way but i feel the zoo fcuked up big time and it'll do there gate reciepts no good at all. Nor it's public relations.What about someone working hard to breed a strain of terriers? You won't know which ones will make the grade until they've grown up and been tested, bit pointless culling them as soon as they're born.. No different to this IMO.. What i'm trying to say mate is this....Whether it was the best put together animal on earth..the point was it was never going to be bred from in the first place because he was bred too tightly as to cause inbreeding amongst his own herd. Aswell as his species in most of Europe. So why keep him in the first place?? Possibly likes been said...He'll have had a "cute" factor as a babe which we all know will bring in the crowds to oohhh and aahhh at him. Then to get to the stage knowing full well he's going to be pts. Reared for monetary gain and nothing else. Disgusting. I'm not against culling stock but to blatantly use him as a money spinner and media whore is a tad pathetic. I hope the zoo suffers terrible financial loss through this. You reap what you sew. 5 Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 But it took 2 years to decide it wasn't fit for breeding. From birth they knew this girraffe's genetic make-up and knew it wasn't fit for breeding. So why keep it 2 years before deciding it's lion fodder. Doesn't matter to me either way but i feel the zoo fcuked up big time and it'll do there gate reciepts no good at all. Nor it's public relations. What about someone working hard to breed a strain of terriers? You won't know which ones will make the grade until they've grown up and been tested, bit pointless culling them as soon as they're born.. No different to this IMO.. What i'm trying to say mate is this....Whether it was the best put together animal on earth..the point was it was never going to be bred from in the first place because he was bred too tightly as to cause inbreeding amongst his own herd. Aswell as his species in most of Europe. So why keep him in the first place?? Possibly likes been said...He'll have had a "cute" factor as a babe which we all know will bring in the crowds to oohhh and aahhh at him. Then to get to the stage knowing full well he's going to be pts. Reared for monetary gain and nothing else. Disgusting. I'm not against culling stock but to blatantly use him as a money spinner and media whore is a tad pathetic. I hope the zoo suffers terrible financial loss through this. You reap what you sew. Maybe there was an element of that going on but then again maybe it weren't the only male giraffe of a certain age and one of them was marked to be PTS from the off? Maybe there were other, stronger and better put together giraffes about it that were more suitable to be kept on and bred from? Who knows, I just think its a bit daft to criticise someone for managing their stock just because it's a giraffe. We all get pissed off by people making assumptions and having a go based on what they read in the media when it comes to hunting, yet people suddenly become experts in captive giraffe herd management and do exactly the same thing after a few headlines in the same media.. Link to post Share on other sites
stabba 10,745 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 But it took 2 years to decide it wasn't fit for breeding. From birth they knew this girraffe's genetic make-up and knew it wasn't fit for breeding. So why keep it 2 years before deciding it's lion fodder. Doesn't matter to me either way but i feel the zoo fcuked up big time and it'll do there gate reciepts no good at all. Nor it's public relations.What about someone working hard to breed a strain of terriers? You won't know which ones will make the grade until they've grown up and been tested, bit pointless culling them as soon as they're born.. No different to this IMO.. What i'm trying to say mate is this....Whether it was the best put together animal on earth..the point was it was never going to be bred from in the first place because he was bred too tightly as to cause inbreeding amongst his own herd. Aswell as his species in most of Europe. So why keep him in the first place?? Possibly likes been said...He'll have had a "cute" factor as a babe which we all know will bring in the crowds to oohhh and aahhh at him. Then to get to the stage knowing full well he's going to be pts. Reared for monetary gain and nothing else. Disgusting. I'm not against culling stock but to blatantly use him as a money spinner and media whore is a tad pathetic. I hope the zoo suffers terrible financial loss through this. You reap what you sew. Maybe there was an element of that going on but then again maybe it weren't the only male giraffe of a certain age and one of them was marked to be PTS from the off? Maybe there were other, stronger and better put together giraffes about it that were more suitable to be kept on and bred from? Who knows, I just think its a bit daft to criticise someone for managing their stock just because it's a giraffe. We all get pissed off by people making assumptions and having a go based on what they read in the media when it comes to hunting, yet people suddenly become experts in captive giraffe herd management and do exactly the same thing after a few headlines in the same media.. Knowing from day 1 (from birth) that he was never going to be bred from and pts means he was there for monetary gain and nothing else. So in reality..he should never have been bred in the first place. No skin off my nose what they do tbh..it doesn't affect me or mine. But to start crying and blame eu regulations is their way of taking the status of bad guy from them to the authorities. Kinda like don't blame us blame them. When it could have all been avoided by simply not breeding in the first place. Media whores mate..pure and simple. Link to post Share on other sites
stabba 10,745 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 But it took 2 years to decide it wasn't fit for breeding. From birth they knew this girraffe's genetic make-up and knew it wasn't fit for breeding. So why keep it 2 years before deciding it's lion fodder. Doesn't matter to me either way but i feel the zoo fcuked up big time and it'll do there gate reciepts no good at all. Nor it's public relations.What about someone working hard to breed a strain of terriers? You won't know which ones will make the grade until they've grown up and been tested, bit pointless culling them as soon as they're born.. No different to this IMO.. What i'm trying to say mate is this....Whether it was the best put together animal on earth..the point was it was never going to be bred from in the first place because he was bred too tightly as to cause inbreeding amongst his own herd. Aswell as his species in most of Europe. So why keep him in the first place?? Possibly likes been said...He'll have had a "cute" factor as a babe which we all know will bring in the crowds to oohhh and aahhh at him. Then to get to the stage knowing full well he's going to be pts. Reared for monetary gain and nothing else. Disgusting. I'm not against culling stock but to blatantly use him as a money spinner and media whore is a tad pathetic. I hope the zoo suffers terrible financial loss through this. You reap what you sew. Maybe there was an element of that going on but then again maybe it weren't the only male giraffe of a certain age and one of them was marked to be PTS from the off? Maybe there were other, stronger and better put together giraffes about it that were more suitable to be kept on and bred from? Who knows, I just think its a bit daft to criticise someone for managing their stock just because it's a giraffe. We all get pissed off by people making assumptions and having a go based on what they read in the media when it comes to hunting, yet people suddenly become experts in captive giraffe herd management and do exactly the same thing after a few headlines in the same media.. Knowing from day 1 (from birth) that he was never going to be bred from and pts means he was there for monetary gain and nothing else. So in reality..he should never have been bred in the first place. No skin off my nose what they do tbh..it doesn't affect me or mine. But to start crying and blame eu regulations is their way of taking the status of bad guy from them to the authorities. Kinda like don't blame us blame them. When it could have all been avoided by simply not breeding in the first place. Media whores mate..pure and simple. Plus..i like giraffes lol 1 Link to post Share on other sites
fireman 10,871 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Good points raised by lots of you guys,,, castration ect,,,, I'm going to be honest now,,, and a hypocrite, as I supply a zoo with rabbits,,,,,, I honestly don't think there is any need for zoos any more,,,, nearly evrybody has acces to TV now a days,,,,, and wildlife documentrys are ten a penny ,,, And yes my kids have been to zoos,,, lol So captive bred birds shouldn't be allowed either then? . Yeh ,, I know I contradict myself having ferrets in cages courts ect,,,,and I know most of you Avery men look after your birds with real dedication,,, But yeh part of me thinks,,,, be best if they were in the wild,,, By the way I don't think snakes and reptiles should be kept either,,,, sound like a right anti,,don't I,,lol I have a daily battle with my concience about it as it happens Tomo,but if i opened the door and let them all go most will die.But saying that i am releasing a couple free when i'm sure the springs here as there unrung and it's good to try to put something back anyway at times..Maybe that zoo should of at least tried as well,but the thing i keep thinking is,sod those lions i would have tried a steak of that . 2 Link to post Share on other sites
clipo 871 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 a waste of a young healthy animal imo Couple of million male chickens and thousands of male dairy cows which are surplus to requirements get killed every year and all, what about them? Guess they don't count because that don't make for good headlines in the media.. what a ludicrious comparisan there animals in the meat trade ffs lol Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,763 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 a waste of a young healthy animal imo Couple of million male chickens and thousands of male dairy cows which are surplus to requirements get killed every year and all, what about them? Guess they don't count because that don't make for good headlines in the media.. what a ludicrious comparisan there animals in the meat trade ffs lol And that's an animal in the Zoo trade....... Still stock management..... right? Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 a waste of a young healthy animal imo Couple of million male chickens and thousands of male dairy cows which are surplus to requirements get killed every year and all, what about them? Guess they don't count because that don't make for good headlines in the media.. what a ludicrious comparisan there animals in the meat trade ffs lolWhat about of I kept chickens for eggs and bred a few more? I'd cull the males as soon as I knew they were no good to me and feed them to the ferrets.. No different.. Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 a waste of a young healthy animal imo Couple of million male chickens and thousands of male dairy cows which are surplus to requirements get killed every year and all, what about them? Guess they don't count because that don't make for good headlines in the media.. what a ludicrious comparisan there animals in the meat trade ffs lolWhat about of I kept chickens for eggs and bred a few more? I'd cull the males as soon as I knew they were no good to me and feed them to the ferrets.. No different.. ..and what the feck's a dairy herd got to do with the meat trade?? Link to post Share on other sites
unlacedgecko 1,466 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Agree with Paulus, it puts the whole reasoning behind zoos in question, are they just collections of animals for our entertainment or are they conservation establishments, captive breeding to maintain the species. Lets be honest, no zoo can replicate the freedom that animals have in the wild so in my opinion if they are just animal collections for entertainment they have no place in the 21st century. Like dolphinariums, it may be nice to see them up close but does that make it right, stress behaviour in zoo kept animals is well documented and if they are only there for entertainment to be culled when over breeding its just not fair on the animals concerned. On the plus side I do feel that the best zoos do a positive job, through carefully managed breeding programmes, it would only take one or two idiotic exceptionally well off and probably unfit "great white hunters" or one or two oriental medicinal animal collectors for some species to be tipped over the edge into oblivion. Its just humans again, f*****g things up, why am I not surprised. A well off 'great white hunter' will do more for conservation than any number of photograph tourists or people 'adopting' rhinos. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
clipo 871 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 a waste of a young healthy animal imo Couple of million male chickens and thousands of male dairy cows which are surplus to requirements get killed every year and all, what about them? Guess they don't count because that don't make for good headlines in the media.. what a ludicrious comparisan there animals in the meat trade ffs lol And that's an animal in the Zoo trade....... Still stock management..... right?true!! but in this day an age chucking it some bread and putting a bolt gun through its head dont seem the best way to manage it imo mate.....people wanted it and were willing to pay for it....there was nothing wrong with it thats why i have a problem with it....just seems pointless breeding it in the first place if they knew it would come to this anyway lol Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 A giraffe, killed humanely and fed to Lions....shock f***ing horror. It's had a good life and it died quickly so what's the problem?? 4 Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 the worlds zoos should be able to work together when it comes to what they need to breed and what not to, breeding terriers or keeping ferrets for work and even keeping birds for pleasure is far different to displaying and breeding animals for pure profit, zoos and other establishments realised this years ago, its indefensible that's why most jumped on the conservation of endangered species band wagon, whilst morally i find nothing wrong with killing one animal to feed another, ethically to do that in the name of human entertainment i do disagree with, why do longleat continue to breed African lions when there no longer endangered in the wild, why do the need such a large pride. the answer is it draws in the crowd which in turn pulls in the cash. exploitation springs to mind, this could as strange as it seems be a very large nail in the coffin for zoos, Link to post Share on other sites
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