Matt 160 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Apparently, the killed the giraffe 'to avoid in-breeding'. Surely the best way to avoid that would be not to breed them in the first place..........??? The breeding prospects may have been different had it been born female.... Apparently, there are EU regulations about breeding big game animals and that was what swung the decision. Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,235 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) I think the reason to kill it was strange, it was weakening the genetic gene pool ( or something like that).... Don't breed off it then... I'm sure there's more to it than that, just seems a bit of a waste of a healthy 2 year old animal... Edited to say I posted before I read other posts.... Edited February 9, 2014 by NEWKID Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 160 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 I think the reason to kill it was strange, it was weakening the genetic gene pool ( or something like that).... Don't breed off it then... I'm sure there's more to it than that, just seems a bit of a waste of a healthy 2 year old animal... Not quite that simple though is it? You can't just tell it not to breed... They live in social groups. Castration was not an option, nor was keeping it on its lonesome... Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,235 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 I think the reason to kill it was strange, it was weakening the genetic gene pool ( or something like that).... Don't breed off it then... I'm sure there's more to it than that, just seems a bit of a waste of a healthy 2 year old animal...Not quite that simple though is it?You can't just tell it not to breed... They live in social groups. Castration was not an option, nor was keeping it on its lonesome... Why is castration not an option?..... ( serious question as I've no idea) Wasn't it moved from another zoo to Copenhagen, is the gene pool that tight across all zoos? I understand culling for the good of genetics, close breeding etc, but a giraffe, surely there was somewhere it could if went, and not been with its uncles and aunts etc 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 160 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Why couldn't it be castrated? I'm guessing that the other males would've kicked the crap out of it. Animals are like that The 'gene pool' for Giraffes in Europe isn't very big because there aren't many of them. There are casualties in any breeding programme, the smaller the gene pool, the more likely the requirement to cull will happen. Look on the bright side... a load of kids got to see a Giraffe dissected, and some lions got a good feed of fresh meat. Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,235 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Good points mate.... I agree on the school kids teach in as well.. On another note, from a safari trip years ago, I was shocked how hard giraffes were to spot... Put near a couple of trees and they disappear lol Link to post Share on other sites
RossM 8,121 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Vasectomise then, I'm sure the other males wouldn't know it was firing blanks, a pity to cull but would have been even more of a pity to waste IMO. Link to post Share on other sites
whippet 99 2,613 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 it was shot too spite the politics of e.u legislation,.........that's why it was publicly butchered , propaganda at its finest .......... inbreeding lol, fook me they only got too come on this site too witness inbreeding...... 3 Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 contraception is was available for giraffes plus the gene pool for all the males and females within that group was well documented, a place was offered in an all male group in the UK an hour and and a half before he was killed with a bolt gun, the lions killed were African lions a species thats in good numbers in the wild so there is no need to be breeding them in captivity, these incidents were bad practice as simple a that, zoos and wildlife parks in general are a contentious issue and bad stock management will not help their future Link to post Share on other sites
Huan72 687 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Agree with Paulus, it puts the whole reasoning behind zoos in question, are they just collections of animals for our entertainment or are they conservation establishments, captive breeding to maintain the species. Lets be honest, no zoo can replicate the freedom that animals have in the wild so in my opinion if they are just animal collections for entertainment they have no place in the 21st century. Like dolphinariums, it may be nice to see them up close but does that make it right, stress behaviour in zoo kept animals is well documented and if they are only there for entertainment to be culled when over breeding its just not fair on the animals concerned. On the plus side I do feel that the best zoos do a positive job, through carefully managed breeding programmes, it would only take one or two idiotic exceptionally well off and probably unfit "great white hunters" or one or two oriental medicinal animal collectors for some species to be tipped over the edge into oblivion. Its just humans again, f*****g things up, why am I not surprised. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Wxm 1,638 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I can see the headlines now Iceland is in the spot light yet again, but it's not horse in their beef burgers it's giarffe in their chicken pie Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I can see the headlines now Iceland is in the spot light yet again, but it's not horse in their beef burgers it's giarffe in their chicken pie just be careful with any ready meal that says its made from neck of reconstituted beef Link to post Share on other sites
twobob 1,497 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I think the reason to kill it was strange, it was weakening the genetic gene pool ( or something like that).... Don't breed off it then... I'm sure there's more to it than that, just seems a bit of a waste of a healthy 2 year old animal...Not quite that simple though is it?You can't just tell it not to breed... They live in social groups. Castration was not an option, nor was keeping it on its lonesome... Why is castration not an option?..... ( serious question as I've no idea) Wasn't it moved from another zoo to Copenhagen, is the gene pool that tight across all zoos? I understand culling for the good of genetics, close breeding etc, but a giraffe, surely there was somewhere it could if went, and not been with its uncles and aunts etc wild life park in doncaster said they would take it,no problem with them feeding it ti the lions they fed it for two year though why not throw it to the lions at birth Link to post Share on other sites
Hydropotesinermis 724 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I don't really understand the problem here. Animals in Zoos are basically livestock. They cost the zoo money to keep which is regained by paying members of the public. At the same time, just like sheep or cows they are bred, not for food but so, should they be needed they can support the wild population. Breeding is just as important in this situation. How many dairy calfs are slaughtered in this country because they were born male? How is this any different? The meat didn't go to waste and the carcass was used to educate children... How brilliant is that? My only problem is I didn't get to try a steak. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
TOMO 26,420 Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Good points raised by lots of you guys,,, castration ect,,,, I'm going to be honest now,,, and a hypocrite, as I supply a zoo with rabbits,,,,,, I honestly don't think there is any need for zoos any more,,,, nearly evrybody has acces to TV now a days,,,,, and wildlife documentrys are ten a penny ,,, And yes my kids have been to zoos,,, lol 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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