the big chief 3,099 Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 I agree with if you can improve on the x why not this is why I am breeding my 2 the beddy whippet gh will ad more pace to the pups as I think bull x gh lack pace and for me the pups off of these 2 would be a good x for me Quote Link to post
roybo 2,873 Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Like I said if they are worthy of breeding..and they do all you want,and you want/need a pup yourself But always look to improve But be honest with yourself it maybe just easier to buy. I had pups aborted from this bitch here She was old enough but the dog was average that got to her The only reason i'm breedi g is after some thought I don't know the quality of Anyone else's dogs well enough to know if they are better than mine if I knew of a very good bitch with the right dog I would have bought in no disrespect to anyone I've spoke to but a thread I put up, a couple of replies made me think long and hard ATB roy 1 Quote Link to post
morton 5,368 Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Its rarely easier to buy,the time and effort to see a dog run,the disappointment of numerous encounters with nuggets and chancers and people with standards below what Cameron would justify,far easier to breed from the substandard in your own kennel,then take the chance,than source honest stock elsewhere. Quote Link to post
roybo 2,873 Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 I meant if you have average stock and know of a better bred litter buy in ...If you have decent breed and use a stud that you fell will improve what you have,just being honest with yourself using average Or worse parents is only going to produce the same But at the end of the day everyone has their own standards And their own choices ATB Roy Quote Link to post
fox digger 1,086 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I meant if you have average stock and know of a better bred litter buy in ...If you have decent breed and use a stud that you fell will improve what you have,just being honest with yourself using average Or worse parents is only going to produce the same But at the end of the day everyone has their own standards And their own choices ATB Roy im in agreement roy. if the bitch is making you happy with what she is doing and capable of doing then surely if she is comming or has reached the end of her career then breeding off her to get the same or better would be the better option than to go travelling all over looking at others work, possible see one do the things you like and make a decission based on one nights/days graft when in reality that same dog may have done or does things that would make you run a mile but on the day of seing it work it ticked all the boxes....... unless the same person owns the dog put to the bitch then you have to repeat the whole process and maybe the owner of the stud doesnt want strangers to see the dog work so looking at the bitch was a waste of time as you possible cant get to see the dog. more to the point is the way things are gone i dont like asking anyone i dont know to see there dogs, either working or just a visual look on a lead, if anything happens the said animals your name is in the mix for asking about them and wanting to look at them, in reality that is the ways things are gone and unless i knew a person very well they would never see my dogs....... roybo, its funny how we both have similar type and bred bitches, we both done months of research on choosing the right dog and one that will improve the quality of stock to come off these bitches for what we want them to do and coincidentally we both picked the same stud dog! that says enough for the way we think this type of bitch could possibly be complimented with a certain type of dog, i dont think its down to trying to get some thing decent from bad bitches but trying to combine certain characteristics from two perfecly capable proven parents. 1 Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,216 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 So let me get this right? Those dogs that perform to a high, near perfect standard come from lines where every dog has been equally capable and at no point has any dog bettered what came before? Now I don't agree with breeding from average dogs but im fairly sure that striving to better what's in your kennel with each generation that passes is a good thing? 3 Quote Link to post
roybo 2,873 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Agree what you say ideation.... but I think even the best lines have failures And average dogs and should strive to better Quote Link to post
fox digger 1,086 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 the greyhound was origianlly bred for its speed, it has poor stamina, that doesnt mean it wasnt upto scratch to breed from as it done well for what it was bred to do. the saluki was the same, bred for running but bags more wind than the hound, the two were put together to produce a different type of dog but done the same thing as both parents but to a better standard, hence good parents but tried to improve the pups and got the most common hare dog there there is today, a specific greyhound that was tried and tested in its job and proved suitable to breed from put to a saluki with similar background produced a better hare dog than either of its parents who in there own right were good dogs. Quote Link to post
roybo 2,873 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I meant if you have average stock and know of a better bred litter buy in ...If you have decent breed and use a stud that you fell will improve what you have,just being honest with yourself using average Or worse parents is only going to produce the same But at the end of the day everyone has their own standards And their own choices ATB Roy im in agreement roy. if the bitch is making you happy with what she is doing and capable of doing then surely if she is comming or has reached the end of her career then breeding off her to get the same or better would be the better option than to go travelling all over looking at others work, possible see one do the things you like and make a decission based on one nights/days graft when in reality that same dog may have done or does things that would make you run a mile but on the day of seing it work it ticked all the boxes....... unless the same person owns the dog put to the bitch then you have to repeat the whole process and maybe the owner of the stud doesnt want strangers to see the dog work so looking at the bitch was a waste of time as you possible cant get to see the dog. more to the point is the way things are gone i dont like asking anyone i dont know to see there dogs, either working or just a visual look on a lead, if anything happens the said animals your name is in the mix for asking about them and wanting to look at them, in reality that is the ways things are gone and unless i knew a person very well they would never see my dogs....... roybo, its funny how we both have similar type and bred bitches, we both done months of research on choosing the right dog and one that will improve the quality of stock to come off these bitches for what we want them to do and coincidentally we both picked the same stud dog! that says enough for the way we think this type of bitch could possibly be complimented with a certain type of dog, i dont think its down to trying to get some thing decent from bad bitches but trying to combine certain characteristics from two perfecly capable proven parents. Great minds think alike Fox digger and I have nowt to add to that post spot on Quote Link to post
fox digger 1,086 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 and fools seldom differ mate!!! 1 Quote Link to post
roybo 2,873 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 very true Quote Link to post
Flacko 1,742 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Lot of good points on here most of the lads seem level headed not looking for quick cash to be honest be nice to see who does breed this year me for one would take a look at a couple if they go on general sale so keep us informed atb Flacko Quote Link to post
roybo 2,873 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 from the black country flacko? small world Quote Link to post
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