NEWSBOY 306 Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 I am a "Digging Boy" lol, so I won't worry my little head about it. Genuinely curious though why you think the working Plummer will die out? there aint many that can be dug to, never was. That's nothing that couldn't be sorted in a generation, The wrong outcross was used with no thought of earthwork, WM even before the outcross, dogs that could be dug to were thin on the ground, some that had been worked below ground were 2nd rate, prob only bolting types, but hyped up by there owners, in 15 years i must have turned over every stone in plummer world, didnt find much then when u do find agud dog u need agud bitch to put to it best of luck to them that still look, may u live long 1 Quote Link to post
Cleanspade 3,324 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 I am a "Digging Boy" lol, so I won't worry my little head about it. Genuinely curious though why you think the working Plummer will die out? there aint many that can be dug to, never was. That's nothing that couldn't be sorted in a generation, The wrong outcross was used with no thought of earthwork, WM i must admit to liking the outcross dogs. ive a couple of them and they suit my needs fine. Ace is outcross.. i personally think the outcross program should have been followed by by a good working terrier outcross . but thats just my opinion. Quote Link to post
Cleanspade 3,324 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Hello Keith, been a while matey since we spoke, hope your dogs are all doing well, you and Johnny know exactly the kind of poor treatment by clubs I'm on about, we all work our dogs within the constraints of work and family commitments but we are the lads that get to test them in the field where it matters, there are many ways to work our dogs and we all do what's comfortable for us, there is no pressure to work heavier quarry than you're happy doing, whilst I respect the lads that kill rats in large numbers it bears no comparison to a dog working day in day out on larger quarry, there has always been specialist lines or strains of all terrier breeds for rats, fox , etc and Plummers are no different in this, after over 40yrs of supposedly developing this breed by the various clubs they are no nearer to completion now than even 20yrs ago, we should of had in place many stud dogs for the type of quarry we wish to work that also have a proven healthy status and not being covered up because it suits a committee's agenda, more choice means a healthier gene pool for everyone, club sanctioned matings mean nothing if a breed stagnates because of lack of choice, WM This is not a dig, but a genuine question............why is the fate of the working Plummer supposedly so tied in with committees & club protocol? Surely individuals who are genuine about producing working stock can act independently? I know nothing of the situation with these dogs & I'm not a club type of person, so it seems an alien concept to me, that a working dogs future can be so governed by committees....... the working plummer isnt . any individual can breed whatever they like. as a breed the plummer is in trouble but this need'nt effect the working plummer. unless of course you need to register them with one of the clubs the plummer terrier club of great britain actively encourages working your dog lawfully. and has a few good members that work there terriers. to rat rabbit and fox. within the constraints of the law Quote Link to post
BIG G wheton machine 1,594 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Stick a good short leg Russell that's working a treat over a plummer Quote Link to post
wirral countryman 2,110 Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 Stick a good short leg Russell that's working a treat over a plummer Done it loads of times with every type and line you can name, bred a lot of good earthdogs but the best is always a patt/plummer, atb, WM Quote Link to post
Cleanspade 3,324 Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Stick a good short leg Russell that's working a treat over a plummer we did this many years ago when when the russells all had short legs. lol. pups came to small. and got mauled. as they had a fair bit of bottle. now a dog like Ace over one of the east essex terriers and i would jump on the waiting list Quote Link to post
wirral countryman 2,110 Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Stick a good short leg Russell that's working a treat over a plummerwe did this many years ago when when the russells all had short legs. lol. pups came to small. and got mauled. as they had a fair bit of bottle. now a dog like Ace over one of the east essex terriers and i would jump on the waiting list I'd be interested in seeing a few pics of that mating to see if they turned out like mine, what year would that of been then ?? You also mention in an earlier post that you would of liked to of seen the new blood crossed back to a good working terrier, well that's old news as I'm well ahead on that front, WM Quote Link to post
HGN 150 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 You have used 'new bood' WM? Quote Link to post
wirral countryman 2,110 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 You have used 'new bood' WM? Yes, for 2 generations and an outcross, WM Quote Link to post
fireman 11,012 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Stick a good short leg Russell that's working a treat over a plummer we did this many years ago when when the russells all had short legs. lol. pups came to small. and got mauled. as they had a fair bit of bottle. now a dog like Ace over one of the east essex terriers and i would jump on the waiting list Ask him if he'll let a plummer go over one of his bitches ,what you say then Donny? 1 Quote Link to post
donnyc 1,203 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Stick a good short leg Russell that's working a treat over a plummer we did this many years ago when when the russells all had short legs. lol. pups came to small. and got mauled. as they had a fair bit of bottle. now a dog like Ace over one of the east essex terriers and i would jump on the waiting list You would wait till Im dead not tainting mine after all these years LOL 1 Quote Link to post
donnyc 1,203 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Stick a good short leg Russell that's working a treat over a plummerwe did this many years ago when when the russells all had short legs. lol. pups came to small. and got mauled. as they had a fair bit of bottle. now a dog like Ace over one of the east essex terriers and i would jump on the waiting list I'd be interested in seeing a few pics of that mating to see if they turned out like mine, what year would that of been then ?? You also mention in an earlier post that you would of liked to of seen the new blood crossed back to a good working terrier, well that's old news as I'm well ahead on that front, WM Never happen Quote Link to post
wirral countryman 2,110 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Donny, I think you misunderstand my post, my post asking to see pics was for cleanspade, Donny I don't blame you for keeping your line clean, you can't beat a good Russell, at the end of the day Plummers are only a Russell cross and there is not an iota of difference in a good working one of either type, WM 3 Quote Link to post
donnyc 1,203 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 If it aint broke dont fix it LOL 3 Quote Link to post
fatlad 250 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 when new blood was added to the plummer why did they add bull instead of a good Russell that was working to ground that way the size would of been kept down 2 Quote Link to post
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