Outlaw Pete 2,224 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 I have a stone built cottage. Roof is corrugated iron, over the original, rough, thatch. Floors are concrete over earth. Walls are eighteen inches thick. But; Take an unheated side room? We're talking cold and damp. Canaries don't Do cold and damp! I want canaries in there. Room is 13' long. 8' wide. 8' high, at the apex. Ceiling's shaped a bit like a flat bottomed boat. Hardboard. Walls are old ~ and damp ~ rendered. 1. I think of jabolite lining the walls. How to attach it? 2. I'm, seriously, not beyond jaboliting the floor too. Then laminating on top. 3. I'd, probably, still need some form of warmth in there? Just something to keep atmospheric damp at bay? Tube heater(s)? What size / Wattage? This is a slow burner. Opinions and input welcomed Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawki 1,431 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 i would get kingspan insulation all over the gaff pete, a corrugated iron roof will hold the cold more than heat 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TUFFTY 1,476 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Line it out pete with 3 x 2 Celotex the centres and a insulated backed plaster board over the top. Use tanilised timber. Then skim your plaster board Dry it out Paint it white. Bobs ya uncle. TUFFTY 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Is it watertight Pete? The fact you said its unheated could mean its condensation that's causing the damp.. First thing I'd maybe try and see if some kind of heat source in there will have any effect before you consider spending serious money on it. Then you'd maybe want to consider some ventilation somewhere. You might be surprised at the change you'll get. If you have water getting in there all the insulation in the world won't stop it for long and it insulation is expensive. Adding a heat source and some ventilation and then maybe tanking the walls after a few weeks if that didn't do the job would be the way I'd go about things before considering shelling out on insulation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Get photos on pete Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Tanking if not done properly will cause more problems than it will solve , and should only be done to. The inner wall to about 500 mm. As there is know cella , the floor if concrete. Could be tanked but as its not rising water dont need it. , use lime morter 3.3 . 5 mix. To repoint out side , if your going to coat it use a water permeable coating , lime wash will hold water if the stone is pourus , What type of stone pete random or coursed sand stone or lime or granite get rid of old thatch either re thatch or re sheet one will work against the other coursing condensation , is the building listed or in a conservation area 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Outlaw Pete 2,224 Posted February 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Wow! Some intriguing points raised there! To try and answer as many of the questions as I can; Kingspan is a tad rich for my tastes, to be honest I have a single sheet of it here. I bought it off my mate when he had it left over. I was thinking more of jabolite ..... " Celotex " ? Oh, yes. I googled that, but, they're a bit secretive about it, unless you register on their site. I see what ye mean though. Malters; Good point and certainly worthy of a Lot of consideration. Truth is, it's not mouldy, wet ye finger pads, damp in there. It's just that sort of chilled damp. Paper, on the wall, came away. Traps left in there get a furry coat of rust. It's simply an unheated room and would be death to the canaries I want to keep in there. My initial thought was just to put some jabolite between the backs of the cages and the walls. Just so they wouldn't suck in the cold and the ply get damp and blow. I'm already planning ventilation. I boarded over the fire place. Now, I intend to fit a vent in there. Maybe I should cut one through the top of the door too? Window's newly double glazed and there's just no where else. GTE; I couldn't really get any meaningful pictures, mate. Cramped and cluttered room, with bird cages and traps, inside. Rough teralyned wall, outside. What sort of stone? Massive versions of the pebbles on a beach. And they used to use really vile cement too. Can't remember the details now. But, we couldn't get Portland, in those days. I think they used river sand and lime, or something like that. F**king wonder these places still stand, really! Oh, and taking the roof off ..... And, no; There's no sort of grants available to me. I wouldn't go near officialdom anyway Thanks for input, guys Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Ah got you now Sand and cement and stone are not good bed fellows Beach rock. And random stone The pointing needs to be water permierble , rake the joints out they will have used lime originally lime mortar is readily available repoint usung this the building can breath , If you point inside and out you will not need any lining. The roof is causing you your problems. By the sound of it the steel is old corrugated. And causing damp the old thatch is acting like a blanket , , either remove the thatch or remove the steel. , Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Outlaw Pete 2,224 Posted February 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 By the sound of it the steel is old corrugated. And causing damp the old thatch is acting like a blanket , , either remove the thatch or remove the steel. I take the corrag' off and all the rotted old thatch will blow away like a flock of sparrows! Then I will have a damp and cold f**king room! Seriously; I reckon it's more than likely a simple matter of zero ventilation in there. That coupled with no warmth what so ever. Look at it this way; There's this room we live in. 66.7F this second. Me, Dogs and a 24 / 7 stove chucking out warmth. Door always ajar, to let air in for said stove. It's dry as a bone in here. Open that door and there's the kitchen. I have a vent in the chimney breast, where I took the old aga away. I also have a 'stable' door which I can crack open, to allow the air in for that stove. Kitchen's ventilated, but, completely unheated. Dry as a bone. Cross the kitchen and open that door with the signs on it. There. Sealed up like a drum. Cold and dank. No ventilation what so ever. Still and cold as the f**king grave in there. All under the same roof. All linked together. That permanently shut door (I store my poisons in there) and the zero presence of any other means of ventilation is the odd man out. What ye reckon, Holmes ....? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,276 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 (edited) The lack of ventilation and a tin roof will cause you your damp issues, as GTE said... It's a shame your not in this country mate, I've got a fair bit of kingspan composite panles and. -120mm boards in the yard, you would've been welcome to it, if you've got someone coming over or can sort transport you could have the lot free of charge.... Edited February 8, 2014 by NEWKID 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waz 4,266 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Is there any membrane under the concrete? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Outlaw Pete 2,224 Posted February 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Newkid; That's a staggeringly generous offer, mate. Thankyou very much indeed for the consideration. Unfortunately, I can't even get a f**king canary brought over here. Never mind a van load of Kingspan. Having thought so much about it, as repeated above; I'm pretty damn convinced just ventilating that room will seriously help the situation. Heater in there and I reckon it'll be the ritz in no time. It was a bedroom, originally. S'pose they might have had the fire lit? There, again, see? Ventilation and heating. That's why they never all died of pneumonia. Then I come along and, for some bloody reason, decide it's a smart idea to seal off that fire place like a f**king tomb! I'm such a wanker, sometimes! Waz; No, mate. No membrane. To be brutally honest? I doubt they even had such stuff available, when this place was built. My big, 'Work Room' was a barn. Then they just heaved the biggest load of concrete in there. Now, that floor is more pissed than I'll be at midnight. And, ye wouldn't die of thirst in there if ye just kept sucking it. Best of all though is the little room between there and the kitchen: Bare Earth Floor!!! It's f**king mental the stuff I trap in there! Shit just comes out of the ground! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 When the built these type they used what they had. Thr floor. There was in most cases no footing the crook roof. Built in to the stone. The stone gathered from the surrounding area Like you said pete as long as your happy and warm its fine thought you wanted to. Upgrade it lol. , Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_stig 6,614 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 (edited) http://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/Insulatiohttp://www.superhomes.org.uk/resources/insulate-a-floor/n/Solid-wall-insulation/Choosing-internal-wall-insulation pete cant you get a grant for some of the work? Edited February 8, 2014 by the_stig Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 (edited) Random stone is usually filled with rubble in the middle all manner off Shiite was used as fill. They are again usually thick walls. The. Heritage methord stig and we do loads with them is. Great in a lab. And allways costly , The simle way is to point inside and out Then form birds nests on the masonary. Like a swallows nest Drill into the masonary then mix Lime mortar like piss pour in to birds nest which will then flow in to Voids repeat this. In a diamond shape seqence. To all elevatios the masonry will. Bond , A Water permible coating to the out side would then waterproof it. And controll damp , Either a wated based coating or a siloxzane , Edited February 8, 2014 by gonetoearth Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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