andy97 209 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 That's strange you saying that about BSA barrels Andy97. It contridicts everything I've ever read in this forum from past threads and on the internet as a whole. Im really not sure where and on what grounds you have made that statement but it kind of makes me feel your making it up and as you have in many of your recent posts are playing the Devils Advocate. You can read about lads with rapids changing their barrels for BSA barrels as the way they are made makes them very accurate. I agree about the rapid being a top pcp I've shot my mates old one many many times over the years. They have long stood the test of time but given what the Ultra was designed for, being small and light, good for small spaces and accurate they are every bit as useful as a rapid. Yes not with the same shot count or reputation as a rapid and maybe with a MMC cocking system that many don't like. There are also many that do though due to its very good safety features, but still it's a good rifle and does what it was designed for so actually engineered perfect for the task its was designed for. If talking about the SE version then I'd say it's BSAs new best rifle to date and will soon have a following to justify my statement. As good as their R10s at a cheaper price and every bit as good as a rapid less shot count. Why would my friend sell his rapid to buy a SE after trying one if they were not something special? He didn't sell because the SE was better than his Rapid. He sold because the SE felt better to him and he surprised himself by shooting better with it than he ever did with the heavier Rapid in the past. I would be also interested in why you would take the rapid over a tench regulated Ultra all the time? I can't believe you only plink and so need as many shots as you can and I also can't believe you shoot so many vermin each time you need more than to 90 shots, and if the rifle is as accurate as it's shooter like you said what's your reasons? Let's have a calm friendly debate with others adding to it too. Quote Link to post
andy97 209 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 That's strange you saying that about BSA barrels Andy97. It contridicts everything I've ever read in this forum from past threads and on the internet as a whole. Im really not sure where and on what grounds you have made that statement but it kind of makes me feel your making it up and as you have in many of your recent posts are playing the Devils Advocate. You can read about lads with rapids changing their barrels for BSA barrels as the way they are made makes them very accurate. I agree about the rapid being a top pcp I've shot my mates old one many many times over the years. They have long stood the test of time but given what the Ultra was designed for, being small and light, good for small spaces and accurate they are every bit as useful as a rapid. Yes not with the same shot count or reputation as a rapid and maybe with a MMC cocking system that many don't like. There are also many that do though due to its very good safety features, but still it's a good rifle and does what it was designed for so actually engineered perfect for the task its was designed for. If talking about the SE version then I'd say it's BSAs new best rifle to date and will soon have a following to justify my statement. As good as their R10s at a cheaper price and every bit as good as a rapid less shot count. Why would my friend sell his rapid to buy a SE after trying one if they were not something special? He didn't sell because the SE was better than his Rapid. He sold because the SE felt better to him and he surprised himself by shooting better with it than he ever did with the heavier Rapid in the past. I would be also interested in why you would take the rapid over a tench regulated Ultra all the time? I can't believe you only plink and so need as many shots as you can and I also can't believe you shoot so many vermin each time you need more than to 90 shots, and if the rifle is as accurate as it's shooter like you said what's your reasons? Let's have a calm friendly debate with others adding to it too. not all rapid owners are wanting bsa barrels mate thing is with rapidsbits its easy to chop and change and mod this and that theres loads making aftermarket parts and there a piece off piss to work on none are buying leupy barrels at 250quid a throw there all getting them from knibbs and getting them sleved n you say about shots theres not enough to go out plinking then hunting with the ultra and weight my mk1 rapid with the custom stock was as light as the beech ultra mmc when you start getting to the mk2 there a bit heavier but the older mk1 feel lighter Quote Link to post
villaman 9,983 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 not as good as the rapid like its all in the engineering and the theoben and hw piss all over it but acuracy wise guns are as accurate as the shooter and pellet match mate You don't know what your talking about there alot better engineered guns by far mate ive had both and would take the rapid over the ultra every time and the ultra was tench regged just because you have one doesnt mke it the best rifle pal and the gun i as accurate as the shooter at airgun ranges if anything the lother and anny barrels are better than the bsa aswell I am not saying its the best gun ,i am saying it will match any top price gun out there and yes i have one and a Daystate Regal and a HW100kt . Quote Link to post
villaman 9,983 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 not as good as the rapid like its all in the engineering and the theoben and hw piss all over it but acuracy wise guns are as accurate as the shooter and pellet match mate You don't know what your talking about from what I can gather on here- bsa springers are shit (although I had 3 supersports and 2 lightnings and they were all 'ok'. not as good as my hw springer. and bsa pcp's seem to be bang on. I have only ever fired 2 ultras , but they were both bang on, as was a mates scorpion I fired. as for the rapid I have only shot one and again, that was sweet! fired a few hw100's and they are just the daddy, hence why I bought one/. the AA s410 was nice but the hw100 smashes it in every category#! this is of course just my opinion, and I would say the weihrauch rifels are the best all rounders. imo ------- I wouldn't mind having an ultra for a few months to properly put it through its pacesw myself as they are highly rated on here, Skot I totally agree with you ,HW100KT is the best gun over all to me, its got every thing I want out of a gun but the regged ultra comes very close . All the PCP i have are cylinder types , I just cant get on with buddy bottle guns Quote Link to post
Daz 7 563 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Everyone's got a Favourite Rifle no same gun will appeal to everyone, Most guns will out shoot their owners except SMK,Hatstand, and some other budget makes. Me Personally it's My Rapid TTR 1 that has the Full PhilD internal tune, But even before that i would still pick the Rapid up over the HW10 KT For Myself i've found it has the edge in accuracy over the HW100 kt as confirmed by the Rapid member forum when We had a shoot Meet at Atherton indoor range. With its adjustable stock it fits Me better and it's heavier so more stable in the standing shot position plus "I DON'T HAVE NOODLE ARMS' atvb Daz 7 Quote Link to post
Tanican 24 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Ok then here's a question. 1 rifle Spring piston and 1 rifle pcp. No tuning or alterations allowed what would you choose for each rifle? I'll pick a HW100KT in .177 closely followed by a BSA Ultra SE. Air Arms Pro Sport closely followed by a HW95K. Quote Link to post
reaper1064 285 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Hi mate a question like this will always get bogged down with this is better than that, a bit like the .177 or .22 debate. Keeping it on your original question, for the money the Ultra is a crackin' little no nonsense gun. Does what it say's on the tin. Shot count can be low if your plinking but more than adequate for hunting, the MCC can be a marmite thing but the se sorts that. I have owned an Ultra for many years, and many different others, the Ultra easily keeps up with them. The Pellets I use are the Falcon Accuracy plus, BSA barrels love them, fly flat and keep the down range punch. If you don't mind second hand then look for one that's had a Tench reg fitted and been to XTX, RatWorks or Tench himself. Just to say that I also own a Daystate Huntsman which is the dogs but would never get rid of my Ultra. Hope this helps. 2 Quote Link to post
Bendover 67 Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 SMK's are the best Quote Link to post
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