Bill Roache Not Guilty

[WILF 47,343]

Rapes a strange one with all the grey areas. Obviously out and out rape is rape but its a sensitive subject. I'll give you an example of a female friend I have and tell me if you think it's rape or not, I do but I'll let you decide. I'll make it clear she hasn't charged anyone for rape or is likely too, she just looks at it that she was taken advantage of. I need to build up her character to help you decide so sorry if its a bit long winded. She's in her mid 20's, really fit lass, does martial arts, lovely figure, face etc, any man on this plant would happily have her hanging on his arm. She tells me absolutely everything and I mean everything. She had a boyfriend for a year who was just taking the piss but she falls in love too easy. He only saw her under his terms, might not see her for a fortnight then would turn up early hours in the morning after a night out. Anyhow, she worshipped the ground he walked on etc etc. I told her umpteen times he's only after his hole which the wee fanny was. She started asking to see him more and he dumped her a week before Christmas. Now the lass lacks self confidence and can get drunk on the smell of alcohol. But cos she is stunning she doesn't need to hard to get a guy. Problem is, as I say she falls in love too easy, believes the patter and puts out on first dates. I've said a million times if you want a serious relationship your gonna need to keep your knickers on till at least the second date anyhow, she went through a string of one nighters, one of them took her back to his place after a night out. She was marack but happy to go. Now the lass can hardly stand through drink and had more drink at his. She had consented sex with him but at some point in the night, 3 of his mates joined in. She can't remember a f*****g thing about it, only knew it happened days later when someone showed her a picture they'd took. She isn't unconscious in the photo or anything like that so, would you call this rape, taking advantage of someone that intoxicated?

Sorry but no, I wouldn't.......you have to assume that those blokes had the clear and express intention of doing something to that girl against her will which I don't think you can say they did.

In fact I would go as far as to say they didn't have any "bad" thoughts at all in all likelyhood.......just lads having a wild night with some tart.

I am sure that's how they would have looked at it.

 

The fact she regrets it now does not make those lads rapists in my book.

[baw 4,360]

In answer to baw. Yes of course it's rape, but a couple of things don't sound right. I can understand someone being unconscious, but not awake and just so drunk they don't recall anything at all. Where were these 3 friends when she first went back to his house and why would he show her the pictures?

She can't handle drink mate, 2 cans of cider and she's like Bambi lol. I've known her for a few years mate and the amount of nights out she can't mind f**k all about afterwards is unbelievable. She isnt a stranger to the odd line of powder either. As for where were the mates, dunno, might have been there, might have came in later, all i know is she was happy going with that one lad and thats all she remembers. It wasn't them that showed her the pictures, it was a mutual friend. Don't get me wrong, she isn't crying rape or f**k all, I'm the one calling that. It made her life hell at the time but now she defends it by saying, you'd think I'm the only person ever to have a threesome

[walshie 2,804]

 

In answer to baw. Yes of course it's rape, but a couple of things don't sound right. I can understand someone being unconscious, but not awake and just so drunk they don't recall anything at all. Where were these 3 friends when she first went back to his house and why would he show her the pictures?

She can't handle drink mate, 2 cans of cider and she's like Bambi lol. I've known her for a few years mate and the amount of nights out she can't mind f**k all about afterwards is unbelievable. She isnt a stranger to the odd line of powder either. As for where were the mates, dunno, might have been there, might have came in later, all i know is she was happy going with that one lad and thats all she remembers. It wasn't them that showed her the pictures, it was a mutual friend. Don't get me wrong, she isn't crying rape or f**k all, I'm the one calling that. It made her life hell at the time but now she defends it by saying, you'd think I'm the only person ever to have a threesome

 

 

That's horrible to hear mate. I feel for her. Why did a mutual friend have the pictures?

[baw 4,360]

Baw, I've read and re-read your post... I agree with Tomo and only hope she never puts herself at risk like that again...

She does mate, infact, she's been back out with the original guy. I can't get my head round it but what can you do? She did go to AA meetings after it but that only lasted a few months. It's a different world out there mate from the one we grew up in.

[baw 4,360]

 

 

 

In answer to baw. Yes of course it's rape, but a couple of things don't sound right. I can understand someone being unconscious, but not awake and just so drunk they don't recall anything at all. Where were these 3 friends when she first went back to his house and why would he show her the pictures?

She can't handle drink mate, 2 cans of cider and she's like Bambi lol. I've known her for a few years mate and the amount of nights out she can't mind f**k all about afterwards is unbelievable. She isnt a stranger to the odd line of powder either. As for where were the mates, dunno, might have been there, might have came in later, all i know is she was happy going with that one lad and thats all she remembers. It wasn't them that showed her the pictures, it was a mutual friend. Don't get me wrong, she isn't crying rape or f**k all, I'm the one calling that. It made her life hell at the time but now she defends it by saying, you'd think I'm the only person ever to have a threesome

That's horrible to hear mate. I feel for her. Why did a mutual friend have the pictures?

Lads bragging, the photos were on a phone, done the rounds. One of the guys was married and the guys wife was going to kill her lol. Strange folk out there.

[baw 4,360]

 

Rapes a strange one with all the grey areas. Obviously out and out rape is rape but its a sensitive subject. I'll give you an example of a female friend I have and tell me if you think it's rape or not, I do but I'll let you decide. I'll make it clear she hasn't charged anyone for rape or is likely too, she just looks at it that she was taken advantage of. I need to build up her character to help you decide so sorry if its a bit long winded. She's in her mid 20's, really fit lass, does martial arts, lovely figure, face etc, any man on this plant would happily have her hanging on his arm. She tells me absolutely everything and I mean everything. She had a boyfriend for a year who was just taking the piss but she falls in love too easy. He only saw her under his terms, might not see her for a fortnight then would turn up early hours in the morning after a night out. Anyhow, she worshipped the ground he walked on etc etc. I told her umpteen times he's only after his hole which the wee fanny was. She started asking to see him more and he dumped her a week before Christmas. Now the lass lacks self confidence and can get drunk on the smell of alcohol. But cos she is stunning she doesn't need to hard to get a guy. Problem is, as I say she falls in love too easy, believes the patter and puts out on first dates. I've said a million times if you want a serious relationship your gonna need to keep your knickers on till at least the second date anyhow, she went through a string of one nighters, one of them took her back to his place after a night out. She was marack but happy to go. Now the lass can hardly stand through drink and had more drink at his. She had consented sex with him but at some point in the night, 3 of his mates joined in. She can't remember a f*****g thing about it, only knew it happened days later when someone showed her a picture they'd took. She isn't unconscious in the photo or anything like that so, would you call this rape, taking advantage of someone that intoxicated?

Sorry but no, I wouldn't.......you have to assume that those blokes had the clear and express intention of doing something to that girl against her will which I don't think you can say they did.

In fact I would go as far as to say they didn't have any "bad" thoughts at all in all likelyhood.......just lads having a wild night with some tart.

I am sure that's how they would have looked at it.

 

The fact she regrets it now does not make those lads rapists in my book.

Would you have the same attitude if it happened to your daughter? I agree the guys prob thought it was fine etc, the reason I put this up was to prove how hard it is to get a rape conviction. There are loads of sceneraios could have happened that sways it one way or the other.

[TOMO 26,409]

Good post that by wilf,,,, makes you think of the other side of the coin,,,,and also points out how hard it must be for our judicial system,,, if that girl wanted to prosecute them for rape,,, if we disagree must be real hard for them..

 

However my opinion stands,,, the girl was unconscious ,,, not just a bit tipsy,,, and up for a good time,,,,,

Baw I dowt she had a line mate or she would have been more awake,,, more likely something else...

 

You got to have poor morals to shag an unconscious bird....especially with 3 other blokes

[Sirius 1,391]

 

The CPS are pretty much the same as the old bill I would imagine, if there is the smallest chance of sticking someone away they will crack on no matter how trumped the charge or silly the offence.

In this case I guess it was more about him being a high profile person and them being seen to bring someone like that to account.

I think you will find the CPS won't bother with more than you think, especially rape case's, my niece was raped 2 years ago by her mates husband, the cps didn't want to know, the police told her it wasn't uncommon, those cases are so hard to prove, they often won't bother unless the evidence is really good.

 

 

Its a bloody grey area, and like any law can be manipulated, often to the benefit of the accused.

 

There are some bad C**TS in this world, who will take advantage if they can.

I know of some lives really messed up by fuckers with no conscience or respect of other human beings. But those stories are not for posting on here.

Edited February 7, 2014 by Sirius

[TOMO 26,409]

 

 

Rapes a strange one with all the grey areas. Obviously out and out rape is rape but its a sensitive subject. I'll give you an example of a female friend I have and tell me if you think it's rape or not, I do but I'll let you decide. I'll make it clear she hasn't charged anyone for rape or is likely too, she just looks at it that she was taken advantage of. I need to build up her character to help you decide so sorry if its a bit long winded. She's in her mid 20's, really fit lass, does martial arts, lovely figure, face etc, any man on this plant would happily have her hanging on his arm. She tells me absolutely everything and I mean everything. She had a boyfriend for a year who was just taking the piss but she falls in love too easy. He only saw her under his terms, might not see her for a fortnight then would turn up early hours in the morning after a night out. Anyhow, she worshipped the ground he walked on etc etc. I told her umpteen times he's only after his hole which the wee fanny was. She started asking to see him more and he dumped her a week before Christmas. Now the lass lacks self confidence and can get drunk on the smell of alcohol. But cos she is stunning she doesn't need to hard to get a guy. Problem is, as I say she falls in love too easy, believes the patter and puts out on first dates. I've said a million times if you want a serious relationship your gonna need to keep your knickers on till at least the second date anyhow, she went through a string of one nighters, one of them took her back to his place after a night out. She was marack but happy to go. Now the lass can hardly stand through drink and had more drink at his. She had consented sex with him but at some point in the night, 3 of his mates joined in. She can't remember a f*****g thing about it, only knew it happened days later when someone showed her a picture they'd took. She isn't unconscious in the photo or anything like that so, would you call this rape, taking advantage of someone that intoxicated?

Sorry but no, I wouldn't.......you have to assume that those blokes had the clear and express intention of doing something to that girl against her will which I don't think you can say they did.

In fact I would go as far as to say they didn't have any "bad" thoughts at all in all likelyhood.......just lads having a wild night with some tart.

I am sure that's how they would have looked at it.

The fact she regrets it now does not make those lads rapists in my book.

Would you have the same attitude if it happened to your daughter? I agree the guys prob thought it was fine etc, the reason I put this up was to prove how hard it is to get a rape conviction. There are loads of sceneraios could have happened that sways it one way or the other.

You can't really ask that baw,,,, of course any father is going to be out for justice in that instance,,, that's why the law is impartial ...

[Bosun11 537]

Good post that by wilf,,,, makes you think of the other side of the coin,,,,and also points out how hard it must be for our judicial system,,, if that girl wanted to prosecute them for rape,,, if we disagree must be real hard for them..

 

However my opinion stands,,, the girl was unconscious ,,, not just a bit tipsy,,, and up for a good time,,,,,

Baw I dowt she had a line mate or she would have been more awake,,, more likely something else...

 

You got to have poor morals to shag an unconscious bird....especially with 3 other blokes

No mate, I read it that she wasn't....

 

And I agree with you, Wilf, that was a good thought provoking post....

[Born Hunter 17,783]

Baw, she sounds like a weak willed girl who has used her pretty looks to make up for her lack of confidence and now sees men taking advantage of that as acceptable. I don't mean that nastily, I'm sure she's a sound girl, just missguided in her outlook on life. That's a shame, strength, independence and confidence are very attractive qualities in a woman, but nobody can 'fix' people that wont fix themselves.

 

Anyway, 22 and gorgeous you say......... LOL.

[TOMO 26,409]

Hmm,,,, cheers bosun,,,, feck knows now,,, I'm not sure,,,good job I'm not on the bench

[baw 4,360]

Good post that by wilf,,,, makes you think of the other side of the coin,,,,and also points out how hard it must be for our judicial system,,, if that girl wanted to prosecute them for rape,,, if we disagree must be real hard for them..

 

However my opinion stands,,, the girl was unconscious ,,, not just a bit tipsy,,, and up for a good time,,,,,

Baw I dowt she had a line mate or she would have been more awake,,, more likely something else...

 

You got to have poor morals to shag an unconscious bird....especially with 3 other blokes

The thing is tomo, I couldn't say, neither could she whether see was conscious or not. In the photos she doesn't look like she is but who knows. I just no she didn't want it, whether she did at the time then as wilf says regretted after, who knows. All I know is she had a good case to cry rape and ruin a few life's but didn't and only got her own life ruined by them bragging.

[Born Hunter 17,783]

Anyway, reading a few of the views on here, I wouldn't say she was raped but deffinately taken advantage of, something that would make me very uncomfortable.

[johnny boy68 11,726]

If she couldn't recall being conscious how did she know she never consented, then going with the bloke again, she sounds like a bit of a floozy imo.