WILF 48,176 Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 The CPS are pretty much the same as the old bill I would imagine, if there is the smallest chance of sticking someone away they will crack on no matter how trumped the charge or silly the offence.In this case I guess it was more about him being a high profile person and them being seen to bring someone like that to account.I think you will find the CPS won't bother with more than you think, especially rape case's, my niece was raped 2 years ago by her mates husband, the cps didn't want to know, the police told her it wasn't uncommon, those cases are so hard to prove, they often won't bother unless the evidence is really good. That's terrible matey, can you not bring a private prosecution.? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Actually I think if Savile had gone to court, there is a good chance he would of been found not guilty, cos it probably would of been their word against his, unless there was better evidence........food for thought Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 The CPS are pretty much the same as the old bill I would imagine, if there is the smallest chance of sticking someone away they will crack on no matter how trumped the charge or silly the offence.In this case I guess it was more about him being a high profile person and them being seen to bring someone like that to account.I think you will find the CPS won't bother with more than you think, especially rape case's, my niece was raped 2 years ago by her mates husband, the cps didn't want to know, the police told her it wasn't uncommon, those cases are so hard to prove, they often won't bother unless the evidence is really good. That's terrible matey, can you not bring a private prosecution.? He will be privately prosecuted one day mate :-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 The CPS are pretty much the same as the old bill I would imagine, if there is the smallest chance of sticking someone away they will crack on no matter how trumped the charge or silly the offence.In this case I guess it was more about him being a high profile person and them being seen to bring someone like that to account.I think you will find the CPS won't bother with more than you think, especially rape case's, my niece was raped 2 years ago by her mates husband, the cps didn't want to know, the police told her it wasn't uncommon, those cases are so hard to prove, they often won't bother unless the evidence is really good. That's terrible matey, can you not bring a private prosecution.? He will be privately prosecuted one day mate :-) In fact you could see their point, because in my nieces case, there was just very little evidence, he said it was with consent & his wife was in the house! She had no chance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arcticgun 4,548 Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 In cases where the accussed is found to be innocent, they shold at the least make the accusser pay for the costs ofbthe entire case including police time and any compensation, prefferably jail them as well, terrible strain on the accussed and leaves a stigma they may never live down, 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arcticgun 4,548 Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 The CPS are pretty much the same as the old bill I would imagine, if there is the smallest chance of sticking someone away they will crack on no matter how trumped the charge or silly the offence.In this case I guess it was more about him being a high profile person and them being seen to bring someone like that to account.I think you will find the CPS won't bother with more than you think, especially rape case's, my niece was raped 2 years ago by her mates husband, the cps didn't want to know, the police told her it wasn't uncommon, those cases are so hard to prove, they often won't bother unless the evidence is really good. That's terrible matey, can you not bring a private prosecution.? He will be privately prosecuted one day mate :-) In fact you could see their point, because in my nieces case, there was just very little evidence, he said it was with consent & his wife was in the house! She had no chance. that is awful situation, better a real 'private' trial few month down line, less said the better, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 48,176 Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 Actually I think if Savile had gone to court, there is a good chance he would of been found not guilty, cos it probably would of been their word against his, unless there was better evidence........food for thought In all fairness there has to be "real" hard evidence, more than just one persons word against another or any nut job could go round accusing people of all sorts. In your case, if the blokes wife was in the house you would think any decent person would have been woken or responded to the screams.......shocking really. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bosun11 537 Posted February 6, 2014 Report Share Posted February 6, 2014 I'm glad for Bill Roache, must be tough on a man of his years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Rapes a strange one with all the grey areas. Obviously out and out rape is rape but its a sensitive subject. I'll give you an example of a female friend I have and tell me if you think it's rape or not, I do but I'll let you decide. I'll make it clear she hasn't charged anyone for rape or is likely too, she just looks at it that she was taken advantage of. I need to build up her character to help you decide so sorry if its a bit long winded. She's in her mid 20's, really fit lass, does martial arts, lovely figure, face etc, any man on this plant would happily have her hanging on his arm. She tells me absolutely everything and I mean everything. She had a boyfriend for a year who was just taking the piss but she falls in love too easy. He only saw her under his terms, might not see her for a fortnight then would turn up early hours in the morning after a night out. Anyhow, she worshipped the ground he walked on etc etc. I told her umpteen times he's only after his hole which the wee fanny was. She started asking to see him more and he dumped her a week before Christmas. Now the lass lacks self confidence and can get drunk on the smell of alcohol. But cos she is stunning she doesn't need to hard to get a guy. Problem is, as I say she falls in love too easy, believes the patter and puts out on first dates. I've said a million times if you want a serious relationship your gonna need to keep your knickers on till at least the second date anyhow, she went through a string of one nighters, one of them took her back to his place after a night out. She was marack but happy to go. Now the lass can hardly stand through drink and had more drink at his. She had consented sex with him but at some point in the night, 3 of his mates joined in. She can't remember a f***ing thing about it, only knew it happened days later when someone showed her a picture they'd took. She isn't unconscious in the photo or anything like that so, would you call this rape, taking advantage of someone that intoxicated? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TOMO 27,190 Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Yes,,,, I can't understand why any man would want to do that baw,,,, there scum pure and simple,,, 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted February 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 In answer to baw. Yes of course it's rape, but a couple of things don't sound right. I can understand someone being unconscious, but not awake and just so drunk they don't recall anything at all. Where were these 3 friends when she first went back to his house and why would he show her the pictures? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RubyTex 1,957 Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 It's the ones who cry wolf who make it 100 times harder for the genuine cases! It happens often, a bloke gets accused of rape, absolutely no evidence whatsoever and he's innocent but the media and locals start sharpening the pitch forks. Bloke comes home to find all his windows out and everyone in the neighbourhood giving him dirty looks and shouting abuse....so much for innocent until proven guilty! Then even when he's acquitted it will always be "you know that guy who was in the paper for raping so and so...well allegedly". Something you'll never get away from Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bosun11 537 Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Baw, I've read and re-read your post... I agree with Tomo and only hope she never puts herself at risk like that again... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baw 4,360 Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Yes,,,, I can't understand why any man would want to do that baw,,,, there scum pure and simple,,, Totally agree tomo. The lassy ain't no saint, who the f**k is but this is bang out of order. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 In answer to baw. Yes of course it's rape, but a couple of things don't sound right. I can understand someone being unconscious, but not awake and just so drunk they don't recall anything at all. Where were these 3 friends when she first went back to his house and why would he show her the pictures? It is possible mate, in my younger days of mixing drink with drugs, I suffered a few blackouts which lasted several hours, one in particular, I went to a nightclub & back to 2 separate house parties in one night & don't recall any of it.............. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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