Strains

[spogum 2]

great read makes ya think a little more of what your doing when breeding

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

 

What youve described is the basic start to a LINE,mate but what about a backup if this goes tits up .Smart lads have another underlying plan to fall back on should your stud not be what it is on paper ,dosnt gell with bitch or gets killed .I fully understand the need for knowledge but a little can be harmful .Better to spend time with a lad thats doing it ,look at his pedigree and see what worked .

listen my friend would you have the balls to speak to someone like you do face to face or do you just let insults flow of the computer, line breeding might be inbreeding with a plan to you but what most people think of that as grandfather to grandaughter or uncle to niece breeding where i am talking about intense inbreeding as in what they do with pit dogs, game fowl, the jersey cow , and as they intensely inbred the stock improves and yes as you say you do have to adapt if things start to go wrong but i cant talk to you anymore. you are the sort of person that thinks he is put on the earth to educate the world and cannot discuss a matter and has to resort to moronic shouting to get his point across. thanks f

 

 

Any time you fancy a dig we can discuss the matter mate .i have plenty to go at and ill even bring the dogs if your concerned about where we will put them .I will explain each dogs pedigree to you and how,why it was arrived at .If you are a bit dim i will tell you have no worries ,a spade is a spade after all.Its now clear from your posts that you know a bit more than i first gave you credit for .However knowing is only ever half the job ,putting it into practice is another as is culling what you know is a failure .What you failed to explain in your opening post was what you aimed to gain from such a breeding .Close matings are still part of linebreeding so i stand by that .Having spent 27 years breeding and working black dogs ,which incidentally are nothing whatsoever to do with Gould,i am in a position to lecture .Some will listen ,some wont but either way i will tell it as i see it and if the world does get educated along the way then all well and good . There is way more to creating an ongoing strain than inbreeding as you put it and i look forward to hearing your future plans ,that would be your plans not those of others .You speak of intense inbreeding improving the stock which is so far from the truth to actually be a lie .Its what to do with your close inbreds that would be lost on you i feel ..YIS-FD

[the_stig 6,614]

inbreeding brings out the faults of line breeding but sooner either way your trying to breed to type be it for looks of performance

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Any time you fancy a dig we can discuss the matter mate .i have plenty to go at and ill even bring the dogs if your concerned about where we will put them .I will explain each dogs pedigree to you and how,why it was arrived at .If you are a bit dim i will tell you have no worries ,a spade is a spade after all.Its now clear from your posts that you know a bit more than i first gave you credit for .However knowing is only ever half the job ,putting it into practice is another as is culling what you know is a failure .What you failed to explain in your opening post ,you write of a strain achieved by continued close inbreeding but sadly this is not achievable .Close matings are still part of linebreeding so i stand by that .Having spent 27 years breeding and working black dogs ,which incidentally are nothing whatsoever to do with Gould,i am in a position to lecture .Some will listen ,some wont but either way i will tell it as i see it and if the world does get educated along the way then all well and good . There is way more to creating an ongoing strain than inbreeding as you put it and i look forward to hearing your future plans ,that would be your plans not those of others .You speak of intense inbreeding improving the stock which is so far from the truth to actually be a lie .Its what to do with your first time close inbreds that would be lost on you i feel ..YIS-FD

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inbreeding brings out the faults of line breeding but sooner either way your trying to breed to type be it for looks of performance

I think guys it all ready been done for us it ain't a new thing and its up to us to preserve it my view just keep folding back in [BANNED TEXT] works for you simples

[the_stig 6,614]

 

inbreeding brings out the faults of line breeding but sooner either way your trying to breed to type be it for looks of performance

I think guys it all ready been done for us it ain't a new thing and its up to us to preserve it my view just keep folding back in [bANNED TEXT] works for you simples

 

i`ve been on here that long i`ve posted on most subjects re working terriers so i dont always post now days

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Just been informed the op has been banned off site .Did i miss something?

[jeemes 4,484]

 

 

What youve described is the basic start to a LINE,mate but what about a backup if this goes tits up .Smart lads have another underlying plan to fall back on should your stud not be what it is on paper ,dosnt gell with bitch or gets killed .I fully understand the need for knowledge but a little can be harmful .Better to spend time with a lad thats doing it ,look at his pedigree and see what worked .

listen my friend would you have the balls to speak to someone like you do face to face or do you just let insults flow of the computer, line breeding might be inbreeding with a plan to you but what most people think of that as grandfather to grandaughter or uncle to niece breeding where i am talking about intense inbreeding as in what they do with pit dogs, game fowl, the jersey cow , and as they intensely inbred the stock improves and yes as you say you do have to adapt if things start to go wrong but i cant talk to you anymore. you are the sort of person that thinks he is put on the earth to educate the world and cannot discuss a matter and has to resort to moronic shouting to get his point across. thanks f

 

 

Any time you fancy a dig we can discuss the matter mate .i have plenty to go at and ill even bring the dogs if your concerned about where we will put them .I will explain each dogs pedigree to you and how,why it was arrived at .If you are a bit dim i will tell you have no worries ,a spade is a spade after all.Its now clear from your posts that you know a bit more than i first gave you credit for .However knowing is only ever half the job ,putting it into practice is another as is culling what you know is a failure .What you failed to explain in your opening post was what you aimed to gain from such a breeding .Close matings are still part of linebreeding so i stand by that .Having spent 27 years breeding and working black dogs ,which incidentally are nothing whatsoever to do with Gould,i am in a position to lecture .Some will listen ,some wont but either way i will tell it as i see it and if the world does get educated along the way then all well and good . There is way more to creating an ongoing strain than inbreeding as you put it and i look forward to hearing your future plans ,that would be your plans not those of others .You speak of intense inbreeding improving the stock which is so far from the truth to actually be a lie .Its what to do with your close inbreds that would be lost on you i feel ..YIS-FD

 

youve read pm

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Yep but none the wiser .Pm if you prefer as we were just getting to know each other .

[Hot Meat 3,109]

if the op is fredthefrog back as fredofrog, i think its his lamping vid on youtube that got him banned lol lol to be fair tho the op sounded far more intelligent than original fred lol maybe he finished watching his mayfield dvds or read a book lol keep the thread going tho guys.....

[the_stig 6,614]

if the op is fredthefrog back as fredofrog, i think its his lamping vid on youtube that got him banned lol lol to be fair tho the op sounded far more intelligent than original fred lol maybe he finished watching his mayfield dvds or read a book lol keep the thread going tho guys.....

most of it sounded like it came out of a book.......anyone read practical inbreeding by w watmough

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Just been sent vid ,only on thl.If thats him ,good riddance

[wirral countryman 2,110]

I've only just read through this lot and believe me there are a lot of half truths and urban myths about breeding stock of any sort, it is called linebreeding when it works and inbreeding when it doesn't, I've been breeding decent working terriers for 40yrs now and it really is a case of "suck it and see", when thinking of breeding off a certain dog or bitch we have to look firstly at its working ability, is it that good ?? supposing the answer is yes then you need something at least as good as the one you have, if that other dog or bitch is related then you have to consider 2 different things, "genotype" and "Phenotype", Phenotype is easy because that's its physical charactoristics, ie ; size, shape, etc, then there are the Geno or inherited genetic plus's and faults, if you breed too close you not only double these good genetic points but any bad points as well , the Plummer terrier is suffering many of these now with "perthes syndrome" and internal organ failure, many of our K C registered breeds suffer from this due to small gene pools and breeding off dogs known to carry both types of faults,when starting off a line or strain you need to start with the best dogs that carry no known genetic or physical faults but are also good working stock, there are some very good books that explain genetics but they are boring as f*ck and need to be read and reread until it goes in if you are serious about breeding decent healthy working progeny, we can all breed the odd one in a litter that's excellent but a "one off", it looks and works well but will not necessarily reproduce the stock if the genes aren't there, even after weighing up everything described there are no guarantee's of success, WM

[jeemes 4,484]

Just been sent vid ,only on thl.If thats him ,good riddance

that is not him..you have pm

[the_stig 6,614]

I've only just read through this lot and believe me there are a lot of half truths and urban myths about breeding stock of any sort, it is called linebreeding when it works and inbreeding when it doesn't, I've been breeding decent working terriers for 40yrs now and it really is a case of "suck it and see", when thinking of breeding off a certain dog or bitch we have to look firstly at its working ability, is it that good ?? supposing the answer is yes then you need something at least as good as the one you have, if that other dog or bitch is related then you have to consider 2 different things, "genotype" and "Phenotype", Phenotype is easy because that's its physical charactoristics, ie ; size, shape, etc, then there are the Geno or inherited genetic plus's and faults, if you breed too close you not only double these good genetic points but any bad points as well , the Plummer terrier is suffering many of these now with "perthes syndrome" and internal organ failure, many of our K C registered breeds suffer from this due to small gene pools and breeding off dogs known to carry both types of faults,when starting off a line or strain you need to start with the best dogs that carry no known genetic or physical faults but are also good working stock, there are some very good books that explain genetics but they are boring as f*ck and need to be read and reread until it goes in if you are serious about breeding decent healthy working progeny, we can all breed the odd one in a litter that's excellent but a "one off", it looks and works well but will not necessarily reproduce the stock if the genes aren't there, even after weighing up everything described there are no guarantee's of success, WM

good post genetic reading is as you say boring but well worth sticking with ------